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Message 256 of 305 (405538)
06-13-2007 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by molbiogirl
06-12-2007 8:23 PM


Re: admins
quote:
Chatty?

I can think of 2 things that might mean.
(1) Informal.
(2) Dropping a "personal" note (e.g. the note to Mod)

Yes? No?


I said chat style, not chatty.

IOW, short statements or short questions. Short posts don't usually present the posters position in any depth and make it hard for the discussion to move forward.

Dropping personal notes are fine if done sparingly and they don't trigger a chat cascade. Like I said in Message 274, we like to make the posts count, since there is a limit.

quote:
Cut and paste, tho? I take exception to that characterization.
AFAIK, whenever I have c&p'ed info from a website, I have credited that website*. And tho I can't be sure, after having posted, what 75? times, I would imagine nearly 3/4 of the thoughts/words are mine.
Message 253 is one example.

This is what I can discern are your words in the post.

I assert the following: The "evidence" offered in the 5 exhibits listed below is flawed and/or fictitious.

Furthermore, I assert the following: The "evidence" offered in the 2 videos listed below is flawed and/or fictitious.

Click here (http://www.bvcsm.com/web_hires_ver_flag.wmv) to view the multimedia video on the flagellum or click here (http://www.bvcsm.com/web_hires_ver_dna.wmv) to view the multimedia video on DNA and information.

As with RAZD and the flood (Message 244), I too will take it in easy steps ... with breaks for you to reply and rebut any of the evidence.

Let's start with Item #1. The geologic column.

The YEC POV

From http://www.godevidences.net/quartzite and www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i1/fossil.asp


From http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn

Care to comment, keys?

But no supporting or reasoned argument of your own.

It is also easier for people to see the difference between your words and quotes from web sites if the quotes are put in a quote box of some sort. Again this helps avoid misunderstandings and lets readers know what words you are attributing to the site cited.

Admin has a different view than I do, but the choice is yours on how you wish to proceed, but we do frown upon numerous short posts that don't appear to further the discussion.


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Message 257 of 305 (406212)
06-17-2007 8:25 PM


US Creationism Museum thread still open
AdminNosy on Museum of creationism directed the poster to Creationism museum opens in Alberta which is closed. The thread on Ken Ham's museum is still open: Ken Ham's Creation Museum

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Message 258 of 305 (407065)
06-23-2007 10:55 PM


Moderation Request
Paulk writes:

I want to agree with the sentiment that you should read ther Bible. I also want to say that unlike the other people who have said it, I really mean it.
Buzsaw ceratinly does not. That's why he's retreated to refusing to cite the Bible verses that he claims support his views. Because he knows that if he does so they will be read and the truth will be uncovered.

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=1&t=308&m=1#14 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=1&t=308&m=1#14">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=1&t=308&m=1#14

I would appreciate that another moderator than myself deal with this meanspirited, off topic and false accusation by Paulk who should know better than to post personal attacks in threads. Like many others on this board I don't cite sources for all statements made but do when I deem it necessary and usually do when asked for a reference, depending on nature and sometimes civility of the request.

If PaulK has a significant problem with my conduct which he can verify he should know enough to bring it to the proper thread where it can be addressed.

Edited by Buzsaw, : add title


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Message 259 of 305 (407089)
06-24-2007 1:29 AM


Literal Genesis Account of Creation
Is there some reason that thread (by ICANT) is still open? Perhaps that there is no admin logged in right now? Time is now 11:25 mountain time, and the thread is at least 314 messages long. Didn't see anything about admins letting it stay open longer.

ABE:
message 301 was posted at 3:07pm (mountain time). I find it hard to believe that there's not been a single admin logged in for an eight hour period. Or am I just being too demanding?

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=6&t=700&m=314#314 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=6&t=700&m=314#314">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=6&t=700&m=314#314

Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.


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Message 260 of 305 (407192)
06-24-2007 11:21 PM


Just a question to either confirm or not what I have noticed.
Is it me or people who are fundamentalist christians
tend to write like
this? You know, they write
like this is some kind of chat
window and when they move
on to another paragraph, they only
hit enter once rather than twice.


Disclaimer:

Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.

He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!


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Message 261 of 305 (407211)
06-25-2007 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Buzsaw
06-23-2007 10:55 PM


Re: Moderation Request
Buz, the text ypu object to is basically what you told me. You refused to cite the verses you referring to because in the past, when you did I looked at verses you cited I often found that they didn't say what you claimed. Obviously you didn't want me (or anyone else) to see what the verses you were referring to really said.

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Message 262 of 305 (407243)
06-25-2007 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by PaulK
06-25-2007 2:01 AM


Re: Moderation Request
This is not the place for you and Buzsaw to hash this out. Apparently no moderator decided to intervene, so conclude from that what you will.


--Percy
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Message 263 of 305 (407374)
06-25-2007 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Admin
06-25-2007 10:01 AM


Re: Moderation Request
I certainly had no intention of hashing it out here. All I'm asking for is the usual moderation proceedure to be followed. My key problem is that Paulk violated the Forum Guidelines by 1. doing a generalized personal attack which was false and meanspirited within the thread and 2. doing this which specified nothing being off topic.

Imo the proper thing for him to have done would be to bring his complaint here requesting moderation action if he figured I had violated Forum Guidelines. Am I missunderstanding the guidelines here or what?


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Message 264 of 305 (407427)
06-26-2007 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Buzsaw
06-25-2007 11:47 PM


Re: Moderation Request
I can't speak for the other moderators, but the way I see it is that those whose debate style, unintentionally or not, uses a pattern of frustrating behavior to provoke guideline violations from others should get little sympathy. PaulK was in violation of the Forum Guidelines, but enforcement of the Forum Guidelines should not be blind. You're not some angel, and expecting others to exhibit inhuman self-control when addressing your posts doesn't seem reasonable to me. I saw RAZD's recent testy responses to Simple in the same way.

The thread had just begun, and PaulK in Message 14 was actually complaining about your past discussion history, which often involves unsupported points and not responding in any satisfactory way to rebuttal. I've experienced this myself with you on a number of occasions and in lengthy exchanges. I recall requesting time and again that you address the actually points and give some indication that you understood, or were even aware of, the arguments from the other side, all for naught. I can generate no enthusiasm within myself for honoring your request to sanction someone for noting this.

There's no point in responding with your usual, "Percy, my friend, my behavior is no worse than what we see from evolutionists here all the time." I suggest that if the moderation here isn't to your liking that you could participate elsewhere on the Internet, such as PhysicsOrg that you tried a couple months ago. Another possibility would be to spend some time recruiting creationist moderators who are familiar with science.


--Percy
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Buzsaw
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Message 265 of 305 (407602)
06-27-2007 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Admin
06-26-2007 8:51 AM


Re: Moderation Request
Percy writes:

Another possibility would be to spend some time recruiting creationist moderators who are familiar with science.

We need to first have some good ones for the job who feel welcome enough or are thick skinned enough and who have the time to want to remain here long enough to be considered, don't we?

Do you have any suggestions for anyone here who I might attempt to recruit who aren't evo BBists and would be to your liking in science topics? I'm not aware of any but perhaps I've missed someone.

ABE: If someone comes to mind perhaps we could discuss the matter in PAF.

Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.


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Message 266 of 305 (407614)
06-27-2007 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Buzsaw
06-27-2007 12:41 AM


Re: Moderation Request
I rarely visit other boards so I'm short on suggestions. One possibility would be to send emails to prominent scientifically minded creationists and ask them if they could propose anyone. Names that come to mind are Behe and Baumgardner because they understand that Biblical evidence and arguments don't belong in scientific discussions.

Any suggested creationists would have to first participate as normal members for a while before a decision about moderatorship could be made.


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Message 267 of 305 (407716)
06-27-2007 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Admin
06-27-2007 7:34 AM


Re: Moderation Request
It is very doubtful that folks like Behe and Baumgardner participate in any forum debates.

Imo most of these types of people who would certainly be good for forums who do science for a profession are so busy with professional aspects of the subject that they have neither the time or the desire to expand their efforts beyond the realm of their profession. It would be like a science professor who has had enough of work would desire other work related activities outside of the workplace.

When I asked Lyndonshire to come on regarding redshift et al he agreed to but likely had no intention of taking it up on a regular basis. He was no creo perse but made for a vigorous and interesting debate.

Another scientifically articulate fellow came on a few months ago whom I liked but can't remember his username. Imo, he got pretty shabby treatment and left in the middle of his first thread and though I was disappointed, don't blame him for leaving. These folks, imo, need more leeway on presenting alternative viewpoints without being badgered on what is considered bad science by the mainline scientific establishment. Likely Baumgardner would eventually find himself out of line since the consensus here is that there is no such thing as ID science being done and that there is no evidence of a higher realm of intelligence existing in the universe whatsoever.

So long as even articulate evo BB athiestis like Hoot Mon who have alternative science views are considered problematic, it is pretty likely that no IDist is going to ever going to be considered acceptable for debate in the science threads.

Imo any recruiting will need to come from good people like Nemmesis who come on and find it suitable for participation. Once articulate and intelligent people come on we need to cultivate them into remaining via tolerance and hospitality, reigning in some of the more caustic evo members who can get pretty meanspirited in their debate conduct. It's one thing to do lively and vigorous debate, but quite another to do so in a meanspirited and unfriendly manner as some prominent and active members here tend to do. Of course, having said that I know all boards have these. You likely will not agree but too often evos get a free pass on this whereas Biblical creos are more often called on it. My complaint here about PaulK comes to mind.


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Message 268 of 305 (407723)
06-28-2007 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Buzsaw
06-27-2007 11:00 PM


Re: Moderation Request
It would be like a science professor who has had enough of work would desire other work related activities outside of the workplace.

I guess that would be me then, except for being a professor and the fact that I do this while I'm at work as well.

Sadly there is a much smaller pool of IDists/Creationists who are actively involved in relevant scientific research than evolutionists, which may be why there don't seem to be any ready top participate in a site like this.

Another scientifically articulate fellow came on a few months ago whom I liked but can't remember his username.

Any recall what the thread was about? As it is this is pretty vague and the fact that you considered them to be 'scientifically articulate' is not necessarily a guarantee that they actually were.

TTFN,

WK


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Message 269 of 305 (407732)
06-28-2007 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Buzsaw
06-27-2007 11:00 PM


Re: Moderation Request
Buzsaw writes:

It is very doubtful that folks like Behe and Baumgardner participate in any forum debates.

Please read again what I actually suggested:

Percy writes:

One possibility would be to send emails to prominent scientifically minded creationists and ask them if they could propose anyone. Names that come to mind are Behe and Baumgardner...

In case this still isn't clear, let me explain:

  1. Open an email tool.
  2. Enter the email addresses of Behe and Baumgardner in the "To" field.
  3. Introduce yourself, and describe how EvC Forum is an creation/evolution discussion site that is seeking balance by recruiting moderators from both sides of the issue.
  4. Ask them if they could suggest anyone who might be interested in moderating at EvC Forum.
  5. Click on "send".

Edited by Admin, : Change author.


--Percy
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Buzsaw
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Message 270 of 305 (407797)
06-28-2007 1:54 PM
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Re: Moderation Request
My apologies for misreading you, Percy. I get it right often but admittedly do have my senior moments. Perhaps the day will come when you'll get a taste of crow as well. ;)

I'll see if I can bring up the addresses and get with the program.


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