Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 86 (8951 total)
350 online now:
DrJones*, Faith, GDR, marc9000 (4 members, 346 visitors)
Newest Member: Mikee
Post Volume: Total: 866,896 Year: 21,932/19,786 Month: 495/1,834 Week: 495/315 Day: 91/82 Hour: 1/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Endtime Prophecy and the European Union
CWHJr
Junior Member (Idle past 4457 days)
Posts: 8
Joined: 06-22-2007


Message 16 of 313 (407146)
06-24-2007 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by PaulK
06-23-2007 5:04 AM


Re: Profoundly Put!
Dear PaulK
Let me get this strait. Do you believe that Jesus is the "only begotten" son of the living God, that he rose from the dead and that he was seen by many then went to be with the Father and is coming back to gather the Christians to himself until it is time for him to return and set up his kingdom on Earth?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by PaulK, posted 06-23-2007 5:04 AM PaulK has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 17 by jar, posted 06-24-2007 3:39 PM CWHJr has responded
 Message 19 by PaulK, posted 06-24-2007 3:57 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

  
jar
Member
Posts: 31760
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 2.6


Message 17 of 313 (407148)
06-24-2007 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 3:22 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
Let me get this strait. Do you believe that Jesus is the "only begotten" son of the living God, that he rose from the dead and that he was seen by many then went to be with the Father and is coming back to gather the Christians to himself until it is time for him to return and set up his kingdom on Earth?

That is totally irrelevant to the question of the accuracy of something as silly as End Time Prophecy and the European Union.

What someone believes has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not something is accurate or as in the case of End Time Prophecy, just nonsense that has been shown to be wrong time after time after time after time ...


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 3:22 PM CWHJr has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 20 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 3:58 PM jar has responded
 Message 32 by Archer Opteryx, posted 06-25-2007 4:50 AM jar has not yet responded

  
Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5413
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002
Member Rating: 5.5


Message 18 of 313 (407149)
06-24-2007 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
06-23-2007 12:07 AM


"...and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand."

"At hand??" When was that written, again? :rolleyes:


This message is a reply to:
 Message 12 by Buzsaw, posted 06-23-2007 12:07 AM Buzsaw has not yet responded

  
PaulK
Member
Posts: 15629
Joined: 01-10-2003
Member Rating: 2.8


Message 19 of 313 (407150)
06-24-2007 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 3:22 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
I'll answer with another question. Do you believe that it is right to twist and misrepresent the words of the Bible ? I do not.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 3:22 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

  
CWHJr
Junior Member (Idle past 4457 days)
Posts: 8
Joined: 06-22-2007


Message 20 of 313 (407151)
06-24-2007 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by jar
06-24-2007 3:39 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
On the contrary
It has everything to do with it. If you don't believe Jesus is Lord then there isn't much chance that you will believe the words he spoke or understand them. You may agree with some of his teaching, that is understandable, but you have no reason to believe the prophecies. PaulK said that Jesus was wrong about Daniel 9. That tells me that he does not except Jesus authority as God's only begotten son. And if this is true then it is usless to argue prophecy with him. There are things hidden in the word that nobody can understand without the Holy Ghost (That would be Jesus Ghost) revealing it to him. So the discussion takes a turn to the right untill he realises Jesus Lordship, at which time scriptures will become light.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 17 by jar, posted 06-24-2007 3:39 PM jar has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 21 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 4:03 PM CWHJr has not yet responded
 Message 23 by jar, posted 06-24-2007 4:08 PM CWHJr has responded
 Message 42 by Buzsaw, posted 06-26-2007 12:17 AM CWHJr has not yet responded

  
CWHJr
Junior Member (Idle past 4457 days)
Posts: 8
Joined: 06-22-2007


Message 21 of 313 (407153)
06-24-2007 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 3:58 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
Paul
If you do not think it is right to twist the scripture how can you say that Jesus was wrong. You contradict yourself.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 20 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 3:58 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 22 by PaulK, posted 06-24-2007 4:08 PM CWHJr has responded

  
PaulK
Member
Posts: 15629
Joined: 01-10-2003
Member Rating: 2.8


Message 22 of 313 (407154)
06-24-2007 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 4:03 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
quote:

If you do not think it is right to twist the scripture how can you say that Jesus was wrong. You contradict yourself.

No, I do not contradict myself. Now will you answer my question ?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 21 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 4:03 PM CWHJr has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 24 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 4:45 PM PaulK has responded

  
jar
Member
Posts: 31760
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 2.6


Message 23 of 313 (407155)
06-24-2007 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 3:58 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
There are things hidden in the word that nobody can understand without the Holy Ghost (That would be Jesus Ghost) revealing it to him.

Yeah, the old Gnostic idea that there is hidden meaning that is only revealed to the few. Nice con, works well.

But so far no one has been able to explain how you can be sure it is the "Jesus Ghost" (LOL) and test it.

But you can test what is written against reality and that shows that so far, all the prophecy crap that has been presented is simply false.

Bring on a Prophecy and we will gladly take a look at it but don't wast time on nonsense like the veri-chip cause that dog don't hunt.

So far all the folk that support End Time Prophecy have done is pervert the Bible and what is written. What you are doing, my friend, is called Blaspheming the Holy Ghost.

Think on that while you still have time.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 20 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 3:58 PM CWHJr has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 5:18 PM jar has responded

  
CWHJr
Junior Member (Idle past 4457 days)
Posts: 8
Joined: 06-22-2007


Message 24 of 313 (407157)
06-24-2007 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by PaulK
06-24-2007 4:08 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
I believe the bible is the word of God. And being the word of God it is a dangerous thing to purposely twist or misinterprit it. However , we are not programmed from birth with the whole knowledge of the scripture. it is a growing prossess. I once believed i was reencarnated until the lord proved me wrong. I once believed that Caesar was the beast from the pit until the Lord proved me wrong. I am growing and you may be able to show me something that will prove me wrong in some area. I hope so. In the mean time i believe that the abomination that causes desolation is yet to come. Why? Simple. Jesus said so. Can you prove Jesus to be wrong?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by PaulK, posted 06-24-2007 4:08 PM PaulK has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 25 by PaulK, posted 06-24-2007 5:07 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

  
PaulK
Member
Posts: 15629
Joined: 01-10-2003
Member Rating: 2.8


Message 25 of 313 (407158)
06-24-2007 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 4:45 PM


Daniel 8
OK, it requires some discussion of Daniel, so we'll start with an easy bit.

Daniel 8 is one of the clearest prophecies in Daniel. It refers to the growth of the Persian Empire (8:3-4, 8:20) , Alexander's conquest and the division of his empire (8:5-8, 8:21-22). It goes on to point to a ruler who will come from one of the successor states who will attack Judah, conquer it, ban the sacrifice and set up the "transgression which causes horror" (as the NASB translates it). (8:9-14).

8:17 and 8:19 state that these prophecies refer to the "time of the end".

Antiochus IV Epiphanes fits the description. But the last of the Successors states - Ptolomaic Egypt fell to Rome in 30 BC. Nobody later could possibly fulfill the prophecy.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 24 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 4:45 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

  
CWHJr
Junior Member (Idle past 4457 days)
Posts: 8
Joined: 06-22-2007


Message 26 of 313 (407161)
06-24-2007 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
06-24-2007 4:08 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
You said "But you can test what is written against reality and that shows that so far, all the prophecy crap that has been presented is simply false."
How can you say that given all of the talk on here about the EU?
Daniel said the beast would have 10 horns. He said these were 10 kings. The EU has 10 nations who have control over the rest. Their High Representative is in negotiations with all of the nations involved in the middle east peace prossess. He has alraedy declared that it should be a 7 year term on the agreement.
The Catholic Church is a perfect match to the prophecy of Babylon the Great in Rev 17. They are dressed in scarlet and purple. they practice many of the heathen rituals as part of Christian doctrine, They pray to the saints which is an act of worship, There are 7 hills where the vatican sits, waters being nations, they sit in control of many waters,
Israel has made ready most of the material, if not all, that it will take to rebuild the temple in Israel, They could never find a red heifer but now have a whole herd, all of the harps are ready, they priestly robes, even the training of the levitical priests, that list goes on. They are there to look at.
Israel has become the center of attention around the globe.
Christ is preached in almost every nation in the world.
The US is beginning to fit the discription of the second beast of Rev.
Gog and Magog are set in place.
Are you telling me you can't see this? There are many Christs and antichrists just as Jesus said there would be. There is an asteroid hit discribed in rev 8. The timing seems in direct match with the one they are watching today. It could be it???
Tell me you see none of this and i will quit wasting my time on this forum.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 23 by jar, posted 06-24-2007 4:08 PM jar has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 27 by ringo, posted 06-24-2007 5:35 PM CWHJr has not yet responded
 Message 28 by jar, posted 06-24-2007 5:46 PM CWHJr has not yet responded
 Message 39 by Chiroptera, posted 06-25-2007 6:36 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

  
ringo
Member
Posts: 17653
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 3.3


Message 27 of 313 (407162)
06-24-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 5:18 PM


Re: Profoundly Put!
CWHJr writes:

Tell me you see none of this and i will quit wasting my time on this forum.

Did you come here for confirmation of what you have been spoon-fed? If so, you are wasting your time.


Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
 Message 26 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 5:18 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

  
jar
Member
Posts: 31760
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 2.6


Message 28 of 313 (407163)
06-24-2007 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by CWHJr
06-24-2007 5:18 PM


More Proof that End Time Prophecy is just nonsense.
You said "But you can test what is written against reality and that shows that so far, all the prophecy crap that has been presented is simply false."
How can you say that given all of the talk on here about the EU?
Daniel said the beast would have 10 horns. He said these were 10 kings. The EU has 10 nations who have control over the rest.

Well first of, that is simply a silly assertion to make and shows just how bankrupt End Time Prophecy is.

The EU has 27 Member States.

The Catholic Church is a perfect match to the prophecy of Babylon the Great in Rev 17. They are dressed in scarlet and purple. they practice many of the heathen rituals as part of Christian doctrine, They pray to the saints which is an act of worship, There are 7 hills where the vatican sits, waters being nations, they sit in control of many waters,

More Nonsense from the End Time Prophecy folk.

They dress in scarlet and purple and black and white and green and blue. They practice NO heathen rituals. There are seven hill where Baltimore sits, while there are NOT Seven Hills at the Vatican or Vatican City. The Vatican Controls only one Nation, Vatican City.

Can't you folk EVER get even one fact straight? No wonder folk just laugh at those pushing End Time Prophecies.

Are you telling me you can't see this?

Damn right I can't see that. All I see are folk who are totally delusional and that have no connection with either fact or reality.

There is an asteroid hit discribed in rev 8. The timing seems in direct match with the one they are watching today. It could be it???

What in the world are you talking about? I just checked the news and no one is watch an asteroid hit, either here on earth or anywhere else at this moment.

Tell me you see none of this and i will quit wasting my time on this forum.

Aw, stick around. End Time Prophecy is always good for a laugh or two.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 26 by CWHJr, posted 06-24-2007 5:18 PM CWHJr has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 29 by macaroniandcheese, posted 06-24-2007 8:13 PM jar has responded
 Message 36 by Chiroptera, posted 06-25-2007 2:12 PM jar has responded

  
macaroniandcheese 
Suspended Member (Idle past 2265 days)
Posts: 4258
Joined: 05-24-2004


Message 29 of 313 (407170)
06-24-2007 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
06-24-2007 5:46 PM


Re: More Proof that End Time Prophecy is just nonsense.
The EU has 27 Member States.


1957 Belgium France Germany Italy Luxembourg Netherlands
1973 Denmark Republic of Ireland United Kingdom
1981 Greece
1986 Portugal Spain
1995 Austria Finland Sweden
2004 Cyprus Czech Republic Estonia Hungary Latvia Lithuania Malta Poland Slovakia Slovenia
2007 Bulgaria Romania

i really dare anyone to pick the "10" that rule the rest. jesus, even the un is "ruled" by the g-7: United States of America, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, Canada

or the g-8 (7+russia, which is bullshit anyways, cause russia isn't by any stretch of the imagination one of the eight most industrialized nations.)

They dress in scarlet and purple and black and white and green and blue. They practice NO heathen rituals. There are seven hill where Baltimore sits, while there are NOT Seven Hills at the Vatican or Vatican City. The Vatican Controls only one Nation, Vatican City.

someone said something about scarlet and purple?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 28 by jar, posted 06-24-2007 5:46 PM jar has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 30 by jar, posted 06-24-2007 8:38 PM macaroniandcheese has responded

  
jar
Member
Posts: 31760
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 2.6


Message 30 of 313 (407173)
06-24-2007 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by macaroniandcheese
06-24-2007 8:13 PM


Christianity is serious, End Time Prophecy is just nonsense
Well I take Christianity very seriously and the End Times Prophecy folk simply pervert all of the teachings. They are ignorant of what is actually in the Bible, and ignorant of the world we live in.

Then they get upset when you point out just how silly their Prophecies are and actually post the passage from the Bible so others can see just how much they misrepresent what the Bible actually says.

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 29 by macaroniandcheese, posted 06-24-2007 8:13 PM macaroniandcheese has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 31 by macaroniandcheese, posted 06-24-2007 11:18 PM jar has not yet responded
 Message 72 by Thugpreacha, posted 12-07-2011 5:25 PM jar has responded

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2019