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Author Topic:   Genetic Evidence of Major Changes in Body Shapes
KingPenguin
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Message 4 of 37 (3933)
02-09-2002 10:13 PM


you guys are really bein jerks, but ill just reply with... when did god ever say that animals couldnt mutate. who is to say that god isnt the cause behind this mutations? all it does is prove that things change and no one claims that things never change.
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"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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KingPenguin
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Message 6 of 37 (3944)
02-09-2002 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by lbhandli
02-09-2002 10:15 PM


well then i cant respond, since i dont care what other creationists claim to believe. i cant even come up with more to write since i dont know all too much about science. anyway go sea creatures that can turned into bugs. i just hope they kill all the nonfaithful :-) lol.
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KingPenguin
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Message 8 of 37 (3985)
02-10-2002 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by mark24
02-10-2002 7:34 AM


that proves little more than a few creationists were narrow minded.
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KingPenguin
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Message 10 of 37 (3991)
02-10-2002 1:02 PM
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02-10-2002 12:48 PM


i dont, thats what im saying!!! :-) i wont fully believe it as a fact until we observe it though.
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KingPenguin
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Message 12 of 37 (4010)
02-10-2002 4:24 PM


if we i can go from being sperm and egg to being a human in 9 months then i think that any kind of transformation or mutation is plausible. thats a lot of change in my eyes. you still havent proven human mutation either so i guess i can agree with it and still be considered the faithful lutheran i am.
btw what is a YEC?
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KingPenguin
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Message 14 of 37 (4044)
02-10-2002 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by lbhandli
02-10-2002 8:54 PM


a human with wings possibly or scales or the abililty to breath underwater.
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KingPenguin
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Message 18 of 37 (4065)
02-10-2002 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by lbhandli
02-10-2002 10:49 PM


quote:
Originally posted by lbhandli:
Why? Evolution doesn't posit macromutations. Would you care to deal with the actual theory of evolution, or do you feel like you can just make it up?
you should talk to sld then
sld--"What 24 hours after my post and no creationist response? Come on, we finally have genetic proof of a mechanism for macroevolution. Isn't that what you creationists have been demanding?"
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KingPenguin
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Message 19 of 37 (4066)
02-10-2002 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by LudvanB
02-10-2002 10:55 PM


quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB:
And what would be the purpose of these mutations exactly. Even if human had wings,we could not fly because our bone structure it too heavy. Scales might be usefull to us but then they might also hinder us in some way. Gills to breath underwater? sure,i believe that its concievable but then,we would also have to develope the ability to swim much faster than we do today or we'd fall victim to predators like sharks quite easily. But more to the point,we do not live in environements that require us to develop these mutations to adapt and survive so they wouldn't be much use to ujs anyway.
well then you can tell that to your sea cruture that evolved into a land bug.
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KingPenguin
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Message 21 of 37 (4069)
02-10-2002 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by sld
02-10-2002 10:57 PM


quote:
Originally posted by sld:
Penguin, how old are you? Are you still in school?
Where is TrueCreation and JohnPaul on this one? They were the ones demanding exactly this type of evidence before they accept evolution. Have they all converted now? Found the true light, ehh?
This article has created quite a stir in both the mainstream scientific community and several other e-c forums, with the c's backing down and scrambling all over the place. One C psuedo-scientist made a comment about the discovery and has now been handed his head on a platter because he completely misstated basic facts about the discovery.
Come on, Creationists, your silence is deafening.
SLD

my age is undetermined, im not sure of when i started thinking on my own. my present physical body is sixteen years of age. the rest of your post is taunting, i think, so ill reply with your head is large in comparison to your body.
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KingPenguin
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Message 22 of 37 (4070)
02-10-2002 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by LudvanB
02-10-2002 11:09 PM


quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB:
But there's a marked difference between us and the sea creature that turned into a land bug. We have the brain capacity to adapt our environement to our needs wereas the critters need to adapt themselves to THEIR environement...this is just theory mind you but perhaps the sea creature mentionned in the article became trapped in a land locked lake that was slowly drying up and so,the critter had to adapt itself to this changing environement or else its population faced extinction. makes sense,dont you think?

doesnt that disprove human evolution then? we never need to mutate because of our brain, given to us by God. So we never mutated.
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KingPenguin
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From: Freeland, Mi USA
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Message 24 of 37 (4073)
02-10-2002 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by LudvanB
02-10-2002 11:16 PM


quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB:
Not at all...though the principle of mutations is still not quite understood,it does seem to be closely related to environemental concerns. It is possible that we used to mutate heavily at an earlier time and those mutations considerably slowed down when we reached the stage of thinking hominids with the capacity to modify our environement,thus reducing the stress it placed on our adaptive genes.
we would have to be evolving ever generation greatly. there is a large difference between now and a hundred years ago.
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KingPenguin
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From: Freeland, Mi USA
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Message 25 of 37 (4074)
02-10-2002 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by KingPenguin
02-10-2002 11:20 PM


or is an accumalation of knowledge evolution?
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