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Author Topic:   The Unacknowledged Accuracy of Genesis 1
PaulK
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Message 224 of 302 (408482)
07-03-2007 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by IamJoseph
07-02-2007 10:48 PM


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The 37 value is derived from its intergration with other stats in the OT.
Given that the actual text barely makes an age of 37 possible, I'd like you to cite those stats to show how you derive that particular age. You can also point to the verses of Genesis that refer to this calendar of yours that you keep talking about.

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Message 229 of 302 (408509)
07-03-2007 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by IamJoseph
07-03-2007 4:48 AM


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Obviously, there is much variances in understanding genesis and the OT here - this document has not been accurately presented via christianity. The 37 year age is not something I made up - it is part of writings and commentary made 1000s of years ago.
Even if this is true, how do we know that the commentary is accurate, rather than the presentations you attack ? As I point out an age of 37 is unlikely according to the story itself, which allows less than 38 years between Isaac's conception and Sarah's death - an event that occurs after the sacrifice.
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The Hebrew calendar is commonly known and acknowledged, and has been in active usage for over 3000 years till today.
The CURRENT Hebrew calendar was adopted less than 2000 years ago (in the middle of the 4th Century AD). Before that the calendar was controlled by astronomical observations (the sighting of the New Moon marking a new month).
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One of the functions thus negated from an anniversary observence is that it is not a true annual recurrence, as with the genesis formular - here, if the sun was at 12 o'clock high noon in a certain area on 1 Jan 2006, then the sun will be in the same position on 1 Jan 2007.
I'm not sure what you mean here, but lunar calendars, like the Jewish calendar, are far worse at this than even the Julian calendar. The Jewish calendar requires the addition of a whole month every few years to stop it drifting too far from the solar year.

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Message 252 of 302 (408574)
07-03-2007 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by IamJoseph
07-03-2007 9:30 AM


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The translation is not lad as in child, but young man (opposiite of maiden).
I did not argue from the translation. Although 37 would seem rather old to be called a "young man".
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Sarah dies almost simultainiously as the sacrifice was being conducted.
That is not supported by the story, which allows an unspecified time between the sacrifice and Sarah's death.
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The 37 year figure is recorded in 1000s of years' sages commentary: there is no motive to alter this age - I am at a loss to encounter it as an issue.
Given that so far you haven't even named one of these commentaries let alone explained the reasoning that underlies the conclusions the only surprise is that you are so insistent on trying to argue the point. And what would be the Christian reason for "altering" the age as you allege they have done ?
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This is not correct - the calendar was in use in Canaan when Joshua reigned. The 4CE refers to Pope Gregory, while the OT Calendar was in use throughout the period after Moses completed the five books. The first New Year and Passover were conducted after Israel entered Canaan under Joshua.
Well that's very odd since Jewish sources insist that the current calendar was introduced by Rabbi Hillel II around 358 AD. And that's nothign to do with Pope Gregory or 4 CE. Are the Jews lying about the calendar they use ?
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Its not a lunar calendar but a lunar-solar calendar, the only means to calculate both seasonal (solar for year calc) and months (lunar). I beieve the islamic calendar is lunar based. yes, some years have 13 months, which is correct when measuring a lunar-solar cycle
So's the Jewish calendar. It's based on lunar months and adds an extra month every so often to compensate for the difference with the solar year. If you think otherwise I have to ask where you get your ideas from.

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Message 257 of 302 (408579)
07-03-2007 2:10 PM
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07-03-2007 2:00 PM


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True, it is not said explicitly, but it is alluded to, and the oral law expands on it.
So please produce these alleged allusions.
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The calendar was used upon entering canaan. The Israelites were told the laws won't apply in the desert but will become law when in Canaan.
Or so you say. However if the calendar was in the law the Jews would still be using it. But they don't use the calendar you were talking about. In fact we've yet to see any indivation that this calendar actually exists. All you say is that it's somewhere in Genesis. If it was there you should have been able to find it by now. All you have to do is look.

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