rr writes:
Then a concept is subjective, always.
Right now, the thinking is that there is no such thing as "2".
No, it is objective because no matter where you go and no matter who you ask, 2+2 is always going to be 4.
If the number 2 is not representing anything, then it is just merely a concept, therefor subjective by nature.
Again, something is subjective only if it varies from place to place and from person to person. If I go to some tribe somewhere in africa and ask the people there if there are 5 fingers on my hand and I show them my hand, they are still going to say yes just the same as if I go to the pope in italy and ask the same question.
Because nothing can ever be exactly "2" so you are always rounding off.
Is this the reason why you think gay people are less than people? By the way, there's one example right there. My wife and I = 2 people no matter how you look at it.
That wasn't my idea, I grabbed it off the web somewhere.
In a 3 based counting system, 2+2=11.
11 in a base 3 system is equal to 4 in a base 10 system. What part of it don't you get?
Again, it is the language that changes, not the
thing that the language is representing. The word car is different than the word voiture, but both words refer to the same thing. The object that we call a car and the french call a voiture is the same object. The number that is represented by "4" in a base 10 system is the same number that is represented by "11" in a base 3 system. That is what we are talking about, not the specific language that is used to represent it.
In other words, you should be saying to yourself, 2+2=4 in my mind.
SO in other words, it is subjective.
No, it is objective because even if you go the pope and asks him if 2+2=4, he's going to say yes. You can even go back in time and ask a medieval person if 2+2=4 and he's going to say yes. If you go to france and you ask a person if deux + deux = quatre, he's going to say oui. Different languages that refer to the same thing. That is objectivity.
Now, it is subjective only if a french person disagrees with you that deux + deux = quatre. If in english two + two = four but in french deux + deux = trois, then it is subjective. But clearly, if you go to anywhere in the world, and if you use any language in the world, it's still going to be the same thing.
For what? so he can tell you that your wrong?
Well, perhaps you'd like to ask a moderator for his opinion on this? My temptation to ask for moderator intervention isn't to confirm what I've said about the subject. It's about you playing your game again.
This is not a Christian concept, or is it my personal concept. It is a scientific one. Maybe you should take some time out to study it, and try to understand it, then be open to the possibility, like a real scientist would.
What possibility? That 2+2=5 in your lalaland universe?
You seem to have trouble understanding the concept of a thing and the language that is used to represent it.
Take music, for example, since I'm a sort of musician who happens to have perfect pitch. When I think of a note or when I play improv jazz, I don't actually think of A, B, or C. I actually think of the pitches that I am going to play. For a Bb instrument, a D is the same thing as a C on a piano. If I switch to my A clarinet, the same pitch is called Eb. Different representations for the same thing. Now, if I fly to germany and play a C on the piano and then play a D on my Bb clarinet (given that both are in tune with each other), a german would agree that the two pitches are the same. If I fly to Russia and do the same thing, the russian will agree that they're both the same.
In other words, the pitch that is represented by the letter C on a piano and the pitch that is represented by the letter D on a clarinet are the same thing.
In the same way, 2+2=4 no matter which language you use or who you ask. This is why it is objective.
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