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LudoRephaim
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Message 13 of 82 (328585)
07-03-2006 2:42 PM


Image deo
In the ancient near east the Kings where sometimes said to be the image of a certain god, giving him divine authortity (See page 14 of "The Jewish Study Bible" n commentary section on Gen 1:26-28 )Genesis here seems to show that despite mesopotamian ideas, all humans where in the image of God (Yahweh)and had divine authority over creation, with animals and other critters as subjects. In order to rule such a creation, you have to be smart enough to do so, which we are (humans are still unrivaled in intellectual ability)
on page 129 of "Science & FAith: Freinds or Foes?" by C. John Collins, he states that, based on the evidence that preceeded before it (pages 124-129) than man being made in the "image of God"means that we humans are an Anology of Yahweh. Although few of the reasons he believes this are probably not very good (a will which allows man to choose what pleases him. My Pekingese dog has that!!!)A lot seems good.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 28 of 82 (410040)
07-12-2007 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by shiloh
06-21-2007 3:22 PM


Hello there
hello there Shiloh
Also Jesus is the Image of God
Here are some good verses that support that;
The God of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the Image of God. = 2 Corinthians 4:4
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all Creation. Colossians 1:15, reffering to Jesus (see context, Colossians 1:1-23
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LudoRephaim
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Message 29 of 82 (410050)
07-13-2007 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Nighttrain
06-21-2007 10:47 PM


kinda late, but
I know this is about the image of God, but I have to answer some of this;
no one thought to record a guy going around restoring the dead, curing lepers, even showing how to remove pig infestation in the district.
are all people who supposidly preform supernatural acts miracles on earth make the headlines? (ie every faith healer (not just the famous ones), all working exorcists of the Roman catholic Church and other Christian demoninations, everybody ever to recieve stigmata, etc etc) as well as those who get their (a few "supposed") powers from other faiths (some Buddist monks, tribal Shamans,etc)? Are all videotaped?
BTW: are there contemporary pictures or even paintings and sculptures of Herodotus, Homer the Blind Poet, Flavius Josephus, The old man of la Chappelle (French Neanderthal), Thales of Miletus (accurately predicted solar eclipse (Norris McWhirter's Book of Historical Records, page 90), St Augustine, Justin Martyr, Spartacus, Hannibal of Carthage, Herod the Great, Porus the giant (who fought Alexander the Great at the battle of Hydaspes), Bucephalus (Alexander the Great's warhorse), Zoraster the Prophet, Gautama Buddha, Archimedes, Pythagoras of Samos, Pytheas of Massila, Aristarchus of Samos, Muhammad the prophet, Hipparchus, Ptolemy (ie the 2nd century astronomer), Roman Historian Tacticus, ...
And please dont reply with a bunch of mythical beings and creatures (Thor, Poseidon, Fenris the wolf, Pegasu, etc) and ask for contemporaneous images or sculptures; unlike those Jesus is himself accepted by the majority of Historians to have actually existed. Try the College textbook The West: Encounters and Transformations; concise edition By Brian Levack (University of Texas at Austin) Edward Muir (orthwestern University) Michael Maas (Rice University) And Meredith Veldman (Louisina State University (see pages xxxix and xl for backgrounds on each author)pages 111-113 (also notice list of books discussing Jesus written by Historians on page 113), The Illustrated Atlas of Jewish Civilization: 4000 years of History by Martin Gilbert and Josephine Bacon, pages 41-43, and both The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel and The Case for the Ressurection of Jesus By Gary R. Habermas and Michael R. Licona.
see also wikipedia article on Jesus.
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LudoRephaim
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Message 30 of 82 (410054)
07-13-2007 12:21 AM
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07-13-2007 12:04 AM


see also
see also
Norris Mcwhirter's Book of Historical Records, page 42.
The Holy Land:Guide to the Archeological sites and Historical Monuments. byFabio Bourbon and Enrico Lavagno, Translated into english by Richard Pierce, page 11.
Jesus - Wikipedia

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LudoRephaim
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Message 31 of 82 (410056)
07-13-2007 12:54 AM


see allso
Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia
Can Archeology Prove the New Testament? by Ralph O. Muncaster

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Message 70 of 82 (442591)
12-21-2007 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by ringo
11-30-2007 10:39 AM


Bird man!
Hey there ringy
Ringo writes:
It seems clear that the authors described God in the fleshy image of a man.
This is what you would call an anthropomorphism (might not be spelt right)describing God in a human-like manner without actually meaning it literally. If God's image was meant to be taken as physical resemblance, then God does not look entirely like a modern homo sapiens:
"Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings," Psalm 17:8
Ths psalm is a poetic prayer to god, as the first verse and those follwing in chapter 17 show. If we conclude that the image of God means a physical or visual resemblance, then we need to ask were our wings went to.
Now this is thrown out the window when God th son (Jesus Christ) is considered; I doubt any on here would disagree that he has a human body.
A few of us wrote some good commentary on the image of God in the first few posts of this forum. I think i wrote the 13th one.
Got to go. Latertz

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LudoRephaim
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Message 72 of 82 (442691)
12-22-2007 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by ringo
12-21-2007 7:09 PM


Re: Bird man!
Ringo writes:
a lot of ancient gods had animal bits and pieces. that doesn't change the fact that they were (mostly) made i the image of man. Even the wings are still physical attributes.
Good to see you to Ringo. I'm doing well.
It is true that a lot of ancient deities and monsters were depicted as mostly human with some animal traits. But the point is that if you are to take the image of God as being ultra literal, you would have to include both the human and the avian traits, which therefore renders the argument that the image of God means visual or physical resemblance to him a bit in question; both birds and humans would share in different forms of his image, yet Genesis 1 states that only man was made in his image.
the image of God was a term used in the ancient near east by rulers to show that they had rule over their subjects. It would be like "I King Nimrod am in the divine image of Marduk and therefore I have dominion over thee, my subjects!". Genesis one was stating something similar, for after God states that man should be made in his image, that he would have dominion over the animals of sky, land and sea (if you want a direct quote I will post it momentarily, but it is found in Genesis one).
ancient gods
a little lovecraftian, eh?
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