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berberry Inactive Member |
Admin writes me:
quote: Yes, of course.
quote: I had noticed that he'd been made an admin for some reason, if that's what you mean. Or no, I guess you were talking about AdminPD. Then yes, that too is obvious.
quote: There was never any doubt in my mind, but I'm glad to have it thus noted that many posters do perceive the same insults I do.
quote: Then perhaps that message should be forwarded to AdminPD. I don't see what's so offensive about a string of iterations of the question "who the fuck are you", but apparently that person with admin power does. Funny how you see the same insults I do, and he sees only other insults. Do I take it that if my insults are sufficiently veiled that they might at least escape the notice of some posters, then they would be acceptable? Or is it the rule that thinly veiled insults against the character and morality of other posters are only acceptable when they come from bigoted xians? W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
nemesis_juggernaut further insults me:
quote: No, you do not get to insult me further. You have no goddamn idea what my philosophy is. I don't care if I get suspended for saying this because you need to know it. I told you to shut the fuck up and leave me alone. I have absolutely no intention of reading one more fucking word from you until I get an apology for your comparison of gays to animals and your comparison of gay sex to rape. So go to hell. W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
quote: Oh, I know I ran afoul of rule 10. But I wonder how it is that comparing gays to animals and/or rapists doesn't do exactly the same thing. At the very least, I should think it would be an example of "goading". As a gay man, those comparisons are as deeply insulting as anything I've ever encountered. They're far more insulting than someone saying to my face "fuck you". So I still don't understand why using the 'f' word runs afoul of Rule 10 while comparing gays to animals and rapists is sufficiently acceptable that those making such comparisons are made admins and thus given the power to interpret Rule 10 for others. If the admin/stupid to whom we are referring cannot find any other way to argue against equality under the law for groups of people he doesn't like other than to draw insulting comparison that have no reasonable basis, then perhaps he should be told by an admin with even greater power to simply shut the fuck up.
quote: I don't see any real difference, except that one is more straight-forward. Both are equally insulting. W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
Then perhaps you should go back and review the original thread again. It shouldn't be difficult since you've been continuously posting in it. And "stay the fuck away from me" happened a considerable length of time after the original post that AdminPD felt was too harshly worded against that other admin/stupid.
And I still wonder how it is that such a one as him, who makes such insults against large groups of people without restraint or reason, becomes an admin. Somehow I had missed the fact that he had become an admin until he used his admin status to reprimand me in that other thread you haven't reviewed. To be forced to put up with his deeply insulting language is bad enough. For him to use his admin status to reprimand me for returning insults just compounds the injustice. I still have seen no reprimand for him at all. I do, however, note the fact that some time between his comparison of gays to animals and his comarison of gay sex to rape, he was made admin. It would therefore seem that his type of bigotry and insulting behavior, far from being discouraged, is actually rewarded! Also, why is it that there was apparently no "Announcing AdminNJ" thread? Was someone trying to hide something from someone else? I wouldn't be bringing all this up again if you'd addressed it before. I mentioned it in my last post, but you ignored me. W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
It was never my intention to intrude on your limited time. I made no attempt to drag you into this.
W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
quote: I take deep umbrage at that! I've been posting at this forum for years, and the only thing I have raised anywhere near this much hell about is that bigot's continuing, insulting comments against gay people, specifically drawing comparisons between gays and animals or rapists (and you still haven't explained why such comparisons don't violate Rule 10, since they are clearly an example of "goading"). I've been deeply involved in many threads about gay issues, and I can't recall ever once drawing your attention to anything! Where the hell do you get off saying that I can't handle anti-gay attitudes or that I am trying to impose political correctness? Were you not being sincere when you posted this to me just yesterday?
This is not to agree with you or with AdminPD, but just to share with you my own feeling that enough people understand your point that it will not get lost or smothered, even if it doesn't happen to get adequately expressed in any particular individual thread. Do you or do you not see the insult inherent in drawing comparisons between one's fellow posters (the gay members of this board, assuming I'm not the only one) and animals and/or rapists? If you do, then why are you now carrying on as though you think I can't tell the difference in such an insult and something like a mere statement that "Gays should not be allowed in the military"? If one holds that view, then one should be prepared to back it up, but not with thinly veiled insults! Shall I be allowed to hurl insults at him in the form of comparisons between xians and, let's say, child predators? I've watched sting operations on Dateline, and it seems that quite a number of those who attempt to have sex with children cite their xian beliefs in an attempt to deny what they're obviously doing. Some of them have even been youth counselors at their churches, so this comparison would certainly not be without basis. I'd hate to be seen as condemning all xians just to get at that bigot and others just like him, but, like you, I'm not all that good at this. I'm more accustomed to wording my insults directly, but as they say, "when in rome..." And a further question that you seem bound and determined not to answer: how did it come to be that he was made an admin at about the same time he made his comparison of gays to animals last year? And why was there no thread announcing that news, as there is at the induction of every other moderator? Given the timing, I would most certainly have been interested in knowing about it. W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
No, I wouldn't answer 'yes' to any of those questions. I would like to see Rule 10 enforced against xians who insult gays in a goading manner, but I have no illusion that such a thing will come to pass. Apparently, refraining from such insulting comparisons is too much to ask of fundie xians and admins here.
But so long as my position is being grossly mischaracterized I feel the need to point it out. Thank you for sharing your feelings. Edited by berberry, : correction to final sentence. W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
quote: Oh, we're definitely on the same page about that. I haven't been on here all that much lately - it rained all weekend long and I've had nothing else to do these past few days - and it's been months since I've noticed that stupid online at the same time as me (I always check to see who's on). I don't for one minute think it was just coincidence that, for the first time in months when we were both on at the same time, he at that moment made his comparison of gay sex to rape and then started moralizing at Percy. He knew exactly what he was doing. I took up the moralizing first, intending to get to the rape comparison later (didn't want to deal with it at that instant; blood boiling, needed a decicious, refreshing Borden's Dutch Chocolate Milk), but as it happened I only got round to the rape thing indirectly. Did you notice how quickly he whipped out that admin shit on me? Obviously wanted to be sure I knew, and I guess he got me cuz until that moment I didn't. That's when I checked and figured out he'd been made admin at about the same time he made his comparison of gays to animals in one of the Haggard threads. Kinda shook me a bit, you might say. I appreciate Ringo's simile of comparing African-Americans to baboons or apes. If someone made such a comparison here it wouldn't be allowed to stand for one minute before the poster would be possibly banned, definitely suspended and certainly not made admin. But because most straight guys, even the liberal ones, haven't given gay issues much thought they simply can't understand why I feel so deeply offended by it all. The fact that you do understand leads me to believe there's a gay person in your life whom you care very much about. Whoever it is, they're very lucky to have a brother or friend like you. I've reached a point in my life where I just can't deal with this type of insulting shit anymore. Time was I had to put up with it everywhere. But over the years, I've put most all of the bigots like him out of my life in one way or another. The hardest was my dad. That still hurts. I talk to him once in a very long while, but it's only small talk. I never tell him much about my life because I really don't want him to know anything. We're not close anymore, so what's the point? For another thing, I don't have to put up with crap like this at work these days. Back in the mid 90s I got fired from a lucrative job when the boss, a goddamned southern fucking baptist, fired me after finding out about me. I decided then that I didn't have the option to keep it a secret from anyone anymore, because I wanted to be certain that that would never happen again. And it hasn't. Today, if someone says something even approaching what the admin/stupid said, I'll fire him or her on the spot (I've had to do it once). There's only one guy over me and he's as liberal as I am, if not more so. And since - thanks largely to those same southern baptists - Mississippi is a right-to-work state, they can't do shit about it. So things have changed. I'm not as accustomed as I once was to being insulted, so maybe that's the whole problem. I tell ya what, though: I'll take that problem. It's great to have the privilege of a problem like that. The company I work for can put me in any of several other cities if I want to go, so I'm really going to get out of this Jesusland hell-hole before too much longer, and this kind of crap will hopefully be just a fucked up memory. I'm waiting for someone close to die, and then I'm gonna do it, even though it'll mean leaving family and many very close friends behind. I'm leaning toward Atlanta or Tampa. I've visited Atlanta fairly frequently and Tampa once over the past couple years. I love both. I've got a lot of friends in Atlanta, so that's probably where I'll go, but Tampa sure is an exciting, vibrant city. I love it, so I haven't made up my mind yet. What I really want to do is get away from the goddamned xians (when I use that phrase and that spelling, I'm speaking of that kind). It's easier, though, to just get away from straight people. The gay areas of those cities are quite large, so at least I'll be able to keep away from that certain kind of xian, even if I'm not trying to get away from all straight folk! I think maybe Percy has a point, even though I resent the implication from him and all the other heterosexual admins that I'm "thin-skinned" or politically correct. I guess when it gets down to it, most heterosexual men will come down on an outsider before they come down on one of their own. But if Ringo's hypothetical had been the actuality, no one would be having this conversation. So, given the fact that those admins don't get the insult, and they think I'm thin-skinned, I think the only thing for me to do is move along. I really have gotten tired of most of the xians on here; I guess my patience for them is what has worn thin. Certainly, as at work and with friends and most family, I don't have to put up with those bigoted morons anymore, so why should I? They never change. It's not worth it. If you'd like to continue to communicate with me, my email address is in my profile. And say good-bye to Brad McFall for me. He was always very kind and I really like him You take care! W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
quote: Fuck you! W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
I said I was leaving and I am. But I can't let this get by without comment. There's actually MUCH, MUCH more that needs to be said to you, but I have only a minute just now. I'll be back.
quote: So let me get this straight: unless I'm prepared to be insulted in the most vile, disgusting and totally baseless manner imagineable by an administrator on this board, then I need to just stay the fuck away from here? Is that what you're saying? W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
I still don't get it, so I'll try again.
quote: I hope you never visit the Deep South, or if you do I hope you keep this to yourself. Else, you'll immediately be pegged as a self-loathing right-winger and you won't find yourself with many friends. I suppose Taz is right about the difference in here and there, cuz down here gay folk have been dealing with this specific insult all our lives; it's a stock argument for the fundies. So I want to be sure I have this right: if I can come up with the most disgusting, vile, demeaning comparison imaginable to use as an insult against the xians here, and I time the use of it to coincide with the online presence of the most devout xians here, I can expect the complete support of the admins here and, in fact, might be considered for an admin position myself? So far, you and every other admin has avoided answering Ringo's simile, so please don't avoid answering this question again if you reply to me: Would a comparison of African-Americans to dirty apes also be acceptable here at EvC? Would such a demeaning insult likewise earn the respect and defense of the admin staff?
quote: As I'm sure the stupid himself is enjoying following that thread. What a perfectly level playing field we have here, huh? W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
Wow, I guess they were looking for a gay version of Clarance Thomas when they promoted you to admin!
quote: Where the hell did you get that from? I'm talking about a direct, moral equivalence between innocent gay sex and BESTIALITY and/or RAPE. It is done for the purpose of insulting gay people and ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER PURPOSE WHATSOEVER!!!. It goes just a teensy bit beyond saying it's "immoral", you insufferable nitwit!
quote: Thank you for telling us about yourself. W.W.E.D.?
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berberry Inactive Member |
quote: That is a goddamned lie! Anyone who would have made such a thing "clear" is someone who doesn't know what the fuck he or she is talking about. If I were a woman, don't you think (assuming you do think, which isn't at all clear) that I would have corrected all the masculine pronouns that have been used in reference to me?. You just wanted an excuse to attack my manhood by portraying me as an hysterical, menstruating woman. Rrhain was right. That comment was one of the most sexist, homophobic things I've ever seen on this board. Clearly, you were sending me a message that this is the sort of treatment I can expect if I continue to post here. Message received. Fuck you!
This discussion is concluded. Please Do Not Respond! Any response to this post or continuation of this subject will lose access to this forum for roughly 24 Hours. --AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning W.W.E.D.?
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