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Author | Topic: The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance | |||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The question is whether God would have allowed that individual every chance at rationally deciding their future. If the Satanist had been given a jaded view of who God was or who Christ was, they would not really be making a rational and free decision. If, on the other hand, God actually had one last time to speak to their heart and soul right as they died, if they still freely rejected Him and even if He knew, He would not be evil for mere foreknowledge. Did you agree God creates everything that is, seen and unseen? Did you agree that God foreknows everything a person will think? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If that is true, then what you said in Message 32
The question is whether God would have allowed that individual every chance at rationally deciding their future. If the Satanist had been given a jaded view of who God was or who Christ was, they would not really be making a rational and free decision. If, on the other hand, God actually had one last time to speak to their heart and soul right as they died, if they still freely rejected Him and even if He knew, He would not be evil for mere foreknowledge. is simply a farce. God already knows what the person will choose. Is that correct? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I suppose that technically, yes. God knows what the person ultimately will choose. Okay. So according to you, your God created someone that She knew would reject her. Next step. Is the Satanist who rejects God saved? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are trying to change the subject.
I asked:
Okay. So according to you, your God created someone that She knew would reject her. Next step. Is the Satanist who rejects God saved? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So belief in God is not necessary for salvation.
Correct? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There you go adding qualifiers.
Think something through for a change. Did God create the Satanist? Did God have foreknowledge of what the Satanist would think and do? Will the Satanist be saved? Is belief necessary for salvation? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are being inconsistent again.
You said God foreknows every decision that will be made. If that is the case there is no freewill and God most certainly did create the Satanist. If we are going to get anywhere you need to stop simply changing what you believe every other line. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I see we need to go back over the basics yet again.
Does God create everything that is, seen and unseen? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
He does not create my thoughts, does He? Lets think about this for a moment. We are not dealing with that yet but rather if God creates you? Edited by jar, : put in dropped if Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but that is nothing but Theobabble. Lots of words with absolutely no content.
I believe that God foreknows everything I think, thunk, and shall think....but I don't believe that He initiated the creation of the logic (or illogic) of those thoughts. That is simply an illogical, unreasonable, contradictory string of nonsense. Do you believe "God foreknows everything I think, thunk, and shall think..."? If so, then the second half of what you say, "...but I don't believe that He initiated the creation of the logic (or illogic) of those thoughts" contradicts it. If God Creates something and is aware of all that that critter will do in the future, then that critter has no freewill. It really is simple. If I create a machine that I know will always turn left, then even if that thing "Thinks it will decide which way to turn" it will always turn left. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you believe "God foreknows everything I think, thunk, and shall think..."? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I still don't see why He cannot foreknow and yet not directly or indirectly choose reality by merely foreknowing. But that simply shows you totally misunderstand the argument, so let me try once again. Is God the Creator? Edited by jar, : spallin spallin Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What the hell does "Humans were foreknown.." mean?
What the hell does "God did foreknow our unique individuality, however." mean? What does "God is personal and not some stoic super-force that is unknowable." even have to do with the discussion? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That makes no sense Phat.
He can theorize all of the potential avenues that I will decide to take, so He sees my potential future as one among many possibilities. He chooses to allow me to actualize my destiny, however. Huh? Does God foreknow which decisions you will make? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay.
So God is the creator and God foreknows every decision that you will make. Is that correct? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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