This is a Great Debate thread between Jar and Phat only. Please do not respond to this thread or continue in this vein. ;)
I am sorry, I hadn't realized this. P.
I don't see why foreknowledge negates freewill. Just because God knows that something will happen does not mean that the decision was not freely made.
But what if the decision has not been made yet, and still God knows already what decision is going to be made? Say that God already knows that you are going to present three fingers behind your back, but you yourself haven't decided yet. Why, you don't even know that you are going to he asked to present a number of fingers behind your back, but if God is omniscient he he must already know how many you are going to present when asked.
If God really knows this then there is not much you can do about it, is there? You may think it's your choice, but in reality it's not, you are merely acting out what has already been preordained. On the other hand, if it really is your choice, then God cannot be omniscient. God's omniscience and free will are mutually exclusive concepts.
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
We are not dealing with that yet but rather if God creates you?
Whether I evolved or not, I believe that God foreknew me. He surely created me indirectly, if not directly.
Thats a loaded term....create.
Of course I believe that at the very beginning of time as we know it, God had a definite hand at creating everything originally. In other words, matter never eternally existed...it was brought into existence Ex Nihilio.
Likewise, every soul that has ever lived was foreknown by God, IMB.
My point is whether or not by His foreknowledge, He could be said to have actually created my thoughts as I formed them. In response to that, I say no.
He may well know what I will be thinking five years from now at 2:30 am (assuming I am alive) for it is certainly within the definition of His abilities.
So... a short answer to your question is No. God has not directly created everything seen and unseen. Part of what is unseen is the future thoughts that I may have.
I believe that God foreknows everything I think, thunk, and shall think....but I don't believe that He initiated the creation of the logic (or illogic) of those thoughts.
Yes. God did not directly create me...my parents did that. God foreknew what my eventual character would be, however. He can theorize all of the potential avenues that I will decide to take, so He sees my potential future as one among many possibilities. He chooses to allow me to actualize my destiny, however.