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Author Topic:   Immorality of Homosexuality
jar
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Message 40 of 218 (410878)
07-17-2007 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Hyroglyphx
07-17-2007 4:00 PM


Re: Calling Out Nemesis Juggernaut
More strawman arguments from nem.
You will then say, "But the law says that they cannot give consent because they are too young." Naturally, I agree, however, two consenting adults, say, a 32 year old man and his 29 year old sister cannot lawfully marry. Neither can a 42 year old mother and her 19 year old son either. Or how about polyamory? All consenting adults.
More irrelevant nonsense. The example of the man and his sister being prohibited from marrying is simply related to the likelihood of genetic issues connected with inbreeding. However, as we learn more and our capabilities become greater in identifying genetic issues and in even correcting many, hopefully that limitation too will be set aside.
There are no restrictions on polyamory so that too is totally irrelevant.

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jar
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Message 45 of 218 (410909)
07-17-2007 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Hyroglyphx
07-17-2007 7:35 PM


Morality is not very important anyway.
A 21 year old man sleeps with his mother-in-law... Two consenting adults-- they are unrelated. Immoral? If so, explain why.
Not immoral at all.
Is there no moral dilemma there? Would most wives be cool with their husband bringing other women in to the equation?
LOL.
Irrelevant since the definition of polyamory includes the concept of consent.
Are you ready to drop consent as a vanguard to moral relativity?
What a silly comment. Nowhere did I say consent is a vanguard of moral relativity, I said that consent is one of the conditions in some examples.
Moses spoke about it long before anyone new what genes were. That obviously means that it was taboo long before the advent of genetic testing.
More nonsense and irrelevancies. However the Bible also seems to condone incest as found in Genesis 19. Regardless, Moshe is only relevant within Judaic religions, no where else.
AbE:
The big thing is that morality really is unimportant beyond the personal level.
Even if someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, then the only thing is for them not to behave in a homosexual manner. Whether or not some other person behaves in a homosexual manner is, quite frankly, no one else's business.
There are though behaviors that we have decided are currently illegal. Those behaviors are unrelated to their so called morality. They are societal and cultural, and relative to the situation.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title and add section on morality.

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jar
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Message 77 of 218 (411117)
07-19-2007 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by LudoRephaim
07-18-2007 4:48 PM


It is nobody's business
They dont want gay parades in their towns and gay marraiges in their Churches and synagogues and mosques. They are not going to have it, and you and all the other lefts, gays and atheists and politicians are not going to force it on them.
Well, if they don't like the parade, don't go to it. And no one is saying that their church has to perform Gay Marriages. If their church wants to be a place of bigotry, that is their right.
By the way, ask your padre what you have to get before you can get married? Hint, it is a license. From the State. Not from some church.
And guess what? You don't even have to get married in a Church.
Marriage is a legal contract.
Little Homophobe Chapel don't like gay marriages? The Little Homophobe Chapel shouldn't perform same sex marriages.
And as to whether or not homosexuality is immoral, sorry Charley. That too is none of your business.

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jar
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Message 164 of 218 (434071)
11-14-2007 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by StElsewhere
11-14-2007 5:48 AM


Re: It;s oxymoronic to use High&Nobel and Homosexual in the same breath
Lots of things, shrimp as one example. Eat them shrimpies.

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jar
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Message 170 of 218 (434113)
11-14-2007 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Fosdick
11-14-2007 2:22 PM


Re: Botrh sides of bigotry
If that is a rhetorical question then why do you care about other people's marriage institutions?
Because the term Marriage is used in thousands of laws and regulations. The issue of same sex marriage is not one of morality but of human rights.

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jar
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Message 176 of 218 (434124)
11-14-2007 3:49 PM
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11-14-2007 3:42 PM


Re: It;s oxymoronic to use High&Nobel and Homosexual in the same breath
Sorry but irrelevant.
If you think homosexuality is immoral, then don't have sex with someone of your sex.
But you should still support same-sex marriage, after all, that is what Jesus would do.

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jar
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Message 183 of 218 (434135)
11-14-2007 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by StElsewhere
11-14-2007 4:07 PM


Re: Botrh sides of bigotry
To validate an abomination with the legal rights of "Marriage" ...is no different that putting lipstick on a pig and calling it a beauty queen!
I'm sorry but that is nothing more than nonsense rhetoric.
Marriage is a social custom, a matter of rights unrelated to morality in all ways. Marriage is used as a defining term in thousands of laws and regulations. To deny the protections, benefits and restrictions of those laws and regulations solely on the basis of your perceived religious prejudices is to deny human rights to a segment of our population.

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jar
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Message 189 of 218 (434161)
11-14-2007 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by StElsewhere
11-14-2007 5:28 PM


Re: Botrh sides of bigotry
What "HUMAN RIGHTS" are being denied?... You are free to screw...or be screwed by whomsoever...are you not?... If a man screwing another man is a human right...then a man who loves to shag his sheep...can want the same human rights as the gay man...to screw what they want? W ho are you to say SHEEP-MAN doesn't have his rights?
That is the common tactic used when folk find they are wrong, they try to move the goalposts.
The subject is homosexuality, morality and human rights.
The rights being denied are many, the right of inheritance, the right of privacy, the right of equal access to health care, the right of protection from harassment, adoption rights; as I pointed out earlier, over 1000 Federal laws and regulations reference the term marriage.

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