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Parasomnium
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Message 29 of 59 (409566)
07-10-2007 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Phat
07-02-2007 11:32 AM


Eternal existence
Phat writes:
it makes more sense to believe in an eternal Creator rather than eternal matter. People often jump to the question of where God came from, but I rarely hear as many people question where matter came from nor who have any problem with it always having been around, in their belief.
If we concede that the eternal existence of anything is problematic, purely on the basis of its being eternal, then which would pose additional problems of comprehension: something that is merely eternal (matter), or something that is not only eternal, but intelligent as well (a creator)? If you strike the need to explain the eternal existence of matter against the need to explain the eternal existence of a creator, you are still left with the need for an explanation for the intelligence of the creator.
Also, if you accept the eternal existence of a creator, then you might as well accept the eternal existence of matter. The latter has the economy of not needing a creator.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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Message 42 of 59 (411171)
07-19-2007 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by ICANT
06-05-2007 9:10 PM


ID promotes polytheism
ICANT writes:
I am perfect in the sight of God. All my sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.
I am not perfect in the eyes of Jesus that is the one I have to work on every day.
Are you trying to tell us that God and Jesus - who are supposedly two parts of a trinity, and in other accounts one and the same - are disagreeing about your perfection? If that is true, then Jesus must be wrong, because God is supposedly "all knowledge", and presumably that covers knowledge about your perfection too. You see, ICANT, all this holy periphrastic mumbo-jumbo does, is get you in a logical knot only atheism can untangle.
To stay on topic, here's something I heard the other day in a lecture on Science vs. Religion.
The premise of Intelligent Design is that from the irreducible complexity of human design we can infer a human designer, and likewise, by analogy, from supposedly irreducible complexity in nature we can infer an intelligent designer there as well.
From human design history we know that more complexity implies more designers. We know that only a team of human designers is capable of designing something as complex as a computer, no single human can design a computer on his own. By analogy then, something as complex as the whole of living nature, if we allow the possibility of intelligent design, is more indicative of a team of designers than of a single designer. Since the ID-proponents' hidden agenda is to promote the Christian doctrine, as the Wedge document has shown, they shoot themselves in the foot with Intelligent Design, because, if anything, it promotes pagan polytheism more than their beloved Christian monotheism.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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