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Author Topic:   Why It Is Right To Do Good To Others
ikabod
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Message 214 of 304 (411341)
07-20-2007 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Stile
07-19-2007 3:48 PM


Re: I agree
oh well , err gosh , ok well thats that then , all we need to do is get the rest of humanity on the same track and we are done , .. can i leave that one to you , ill go sort out my desk its needed a tidy for weeks ...
but seriously i do feel part of the problem is why people want a moral encylopedia .. it saves them all the trouble and work of thinking .. which is why i hate any such system .. dont give me easy answers make me sweat for them , then i may value them and question my own judgements , and hopefull avoid the pit falls of certainty .
so im off to pray in the church of doubt , uncertainty and hope .. maybe there i can find the right questions .....

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ikabod
Member (Idle past 4515 days)
Posts: 365
From: UK
Joined: 03-13-2006


Message 215 of 304 (411344)
07-20-2007 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by pelican
07-18-2007 5:52 PM


Re: How non-judgement can work
its odd i have agreed with almost all you have posted so far but here i do feel you are wrong ... good and bad are human traits .. they only exsist where humans exsist. i know i have made bad choices .. and good ones thats what being human does .
The judgement of good v. bad is about power not human rights.
yes and no , firstly i do not think there are such think a human rights beyond our human construct of how we want others to treat us and everyone else , human rights are rule to judge good from bad , and yes that is about power , the power to make and defend ones rights .
the judgement of good or bad is not about peace and harmony , its not even about justice and rights .. its about labelling things and giving them a place in an agreed social framework .. as there are no absolute good or bad's they only have the meaning we assign them , and people will have differing view on that assignment .
if you remove judgement from human experience you will no longer have humans as we know them .. we are all about judgements .. even whenm we judge it bad to make a judgement .. you cant escape except by becoming inert ...
peace and harmony , and justice are ideals .. unreachable ,but they are vital as the give us something to measure , judge , our current state against , and hopefully strive towards ...
sad to say i do not think they are humans natural state , we are a competative race , its why we are where we are , and we would mbe a different race of beings if we ever made it there ..
peopel do not want to be equal , they like ranks , they like to see who they better than ... this is why we invent moral codes ..

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ikabod
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Posts: 365
From: UK
Joined: 03-13-2006


Message 217 of 304 (412274)
07-24-2007 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Stile
07-24-2007 8:36 AM


Re: I agree
hmmm not sure your system would work for all , it is very dependant on clear honest anaylsis of the act and ones self .. and self anaylsis is not something we do well ..
nope i think we need to appoint you to do health checks for us .. ).. i cant see any other way to keep us honest ...
mind you if we could at least get everyone to agree that doing good is a good idea , and that inaction is not doing good ,we may just get somewhere down the road to where i would be nicer to live ....

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ikabod
Member (Idle past 4515 days)
Posts: 365
From: UK
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Message 221 of 304 (413737)
08-01-2007 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by pelican
07-31-2007 9:52 PM


Re: Bloody hell!
sorry to dump a downer on you ...
i do have faith in human beings .. but that faith acceopts the bad and the good , the hope is today is getting less easy for the bad to hide , more news , more internet , more info , more witnesses, and i think more trust in others to listern ..
i do belive the saying for bad to florish all it takes is the good to do nothing ..
.. we do seem to have more voices pointing out the bad , forcing us off our colletive butts and to do something ... thats the hope ..
but as i said i do not think we would be the same race is we lost our competive drives , our agression , its the skill of focusing these traits we need ..

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ikabod
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Posts: 365
From: UK
Joined: 03-13-2006


Message 226 of 304 (413971)
08-02-2007 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by pelican
08-01-2007 5:03 PM


Re: This question of good and bad
keep hard to your idealistic view .. the world needs such people who have the balls to stand up and say this is not good enough we can do better , look here see what we could be , we need that shake up to keep us from sliding into inaction and by complacency into allow the bad to grow ...there can be little better to strive for that such ideals , we fail but we learn from that and move on and hopfully grow from the lesson ..and strive smarter and more skillfully.. but most importantly we continue to strive ...
i agree that we need to know the bad , to see it, feel it and learn to dispise it , and thus to strive against it .. this is a good reason for life ..but we must live in reality , the danger of peace and harmony is we relax and stop striving ....
remember a rock can only aspires to be a rock , a human can aspire to be so much more that a mere human ....

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ikabod
Member (Idle past 4515 days)
Posts: 365
From: UK
Joined: 03-13-2006


Message 230 of 304 (414185)
08-03-2007 4:38 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by pelican
08-02-2007 7:49 AM


Re: idealistic impossibilty?
personal experience is the greatest teacher , but saddly, we humans have a ability to detach from others , we say well that will never happen to me , we block out things we find unpleasent , even just thinking about them . we get on with our own lives and ignore the rest ...
this is why we all need to hear others experiences and views ... this is why you CAN do something .. you can tell and explain till you are blue in the face , ram the true people brains .. and hpoe a little sticks ...infomation is the weapon to use .. ..ok no one else can FEEL the affect of your tragedy the same way you do .. but a few will understand WHY you feel that way ..and thus an ideal can spread and become a goal that others can aspire to ...
it is vital to shake up the comfortable , those who fell safe .. remind them the world has teeth and claws and knows how to use them ...
sad to say it seems it becomes the unfair burdend apon those who have suffered a tragedy to teach the rest of us to values of human life .... instill in us the fear of more tragedy , show us the hurt and pain .. make us feel ... bring the concequences into our homes .. make us take account of the "bad" when we make each choice ...
if the ideal of peace and understanding is not held up and seen , tragedy will be our destiny ....

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ikabod
Member (Idle past 4515 days)
Posts: 365
From: UK
Joined: 03-13-2006


Message 232 of 304 (414429)
08-04-2007 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by pelican
08-03-2007 5:50 AM


Re: idealistic impossibilty?
go bang so heads together .. somepeople need that to make them listen.. make people uncomfortable by tellin them things .. then lets hope they workout why they feel uncomfortable ....
please dont take my words as common sense , im not that smart , gifted or wise, i have just experienced a bit of life , and tried to see it with eyes wide open , and hopefully have been able to be selfcritical about my judgements , heck i know the large number of faults i have , and plenty more i fail to notice, so dont hold me up as an example of comman sense...

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