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bluegenes
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Message 61 of 372 (411441)
07-20-2007 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Repzion
07-20-2007 1:20 PM


Credit the source
Here's an interesting page.

http://www.nwcreation.net/articles/evidenceoftheflood.html

quote:
If we were to turn east onto Highway 26 at Washtucna, we would soon be driving alongside the Palouse River. The Palouse River flows out of Idaho, passes through the towns of Palouse and Colfax, and meanders through the Palouse Hills. It forms a part of the border between Whitman and Adams Counties. Then, about 3½ miles east of Washtucna, at the very eastern border of Franklin County, this lazy, meandering river makes a sharp turn southward and flows in a straight line over rapids and falls for four miles. Then ......

Sounds familiar;)


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Message 62 of 372 (411442)
07-20-2007 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Repzion
07-19-2007 11:25 PM


Re: Please Explain the Following Evidence From Geology
Repzion writes:

At least try to use your own words, instead of using some one elses ideas. All of what you said was copied..

There's a big adult word you must've heard of, Repzion. It's Hypocrisy.


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bluegenes
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Message 65 of 372 (411455)
07-20-2007 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Repzion
07-20-2007 5:13 PM


I did try all four links on your post, and they were all pics, although one was from the site with the article.

It had occurred to me that you had just forgotten to quote, but I was aware of your "own words" comment further up the thread, which was why I posted.

My apologies, anyway, if due. It's not serious:)

Edited by bluegenes, : typo


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Message 111 of 372 (411821)
07-22-2007 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Nuggin
07-22-2007 5:01 PM


Re: Here's more Stuff.
Nuggin writes:

So biologists believe there could be as many as 8,000,000 species of beetles, but that there are only a total of 18,000 species alive today...

Actually, it does specify mammals, birds, reptiles, and amphibians.

Perhaps it's assumed that the insects don't take up significant amounts of space. Your figures mean that 16,000,000 beetles are covering the decks. The practical problem that I see here is that the mammals and larger reptiles would be trampling all over them, while the birds, amphibians and smaller reptiles would be eating them.

Still, with 72,000 animals having at least one crap a day, it would be paradise for the dung beetles.

I expect Noah and his family were relieved when the waters subsided, and they could stop shovelling shit for 24 hours every day.


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Message 117 of 372 (411861)
07-22-2007 9:25 PM
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07-22-2007 5:58 PM


Repzion writes:

Noah didn't need to take plants either

Considering how many of those animals need to eat fresh vegetation, he did need to take plants, possibly several million of them.

The carnivores have a diet problem as well.

All in all, at a modest average of one kilo of food per animal per week, 3,600 metric tons of food would be needed.

Then there's the problem of each member of the crew having to feed 9,000 animals, which is difficult when you're busy shovelling 9,000 animals' shit overboard.

After the first forty days, when it stopped pissing down, the fresh water problem kicks in. If they could get by with just one litre per week per animal (unlikely), that would mean a 3,600 metric ton water tank on the boat, giving us a minimum of of 7,200 tons of cargo, plus the weight of the animals, meaning the boat would've remained on the earth's surface during the duration of the flood and never floated.

I think it's mythology myself, Repzion.


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bluegenes
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Message 121 of 372 (411963)
07-23-2007 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Dr Adequate
07-23-2007 11:37 AM


Re: Floating Mats? Insects?
"And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."

So, pairs of all the animals that ever existed were on the ark. All the creatures that we find fossilized in the "flood deposits" were on the ark. Multiply my food and water estimates by 100 then. 720,000 tons of cargo.

There's not enough space in the ark for the animals, let alone the cargo.

You've been taught to accept a myth as the truth, Repzion, I'm sorry to say.


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Message 125 of 372 (412109)
07-23-2007 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Dr Adequate
07-23-2007 3:07 PM


Re: Floating Mats? Insects?
It's all very aproximate, anyway. My one litre of water per week per animal is very generous to the creationist side. Actually, young Rep needs to be pointed towards more up to date creationist stuff which will only have "kinds" on the ark, then an enormous amount of speeded up evolution in the last 5000 tears. I assume that the Ark problem is the main reason why AiG and others are pushing the idea of "kinds".

However, my point about lots of the herbivores requiring living plants to feed off is a good one. The Ark requires a large plantation on board, as well as a huge tank of fresh water.

The silly thing about all this is that the event requires magic from God anyway, so of course, he can solve all the problems by magic, which he has to do anyway after the flood, because a lot of the animals move so slowly that some kind of magic redistribution is necessary. I reckon that South American snails and sloths would just about be arriving on their home continent now, if there were land bridges available, which there aren't.

The text you quoted makes things very difficult for fludologists, on its own.

I sometimes wonder what we're doing, having arguments here that were already won in the nineteenth century. It's 2007. We're in a time warp!


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Message 169 of 372 (418692)
08-29-2007 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Refpunk
08-29-2007 7:16 PM


Re: 'Out of Bedrock' theory
Refpunk writes:

Sorry, but it can't be erosion because the sedimentary layers are IN THE MIDDLE of the rock layers. If it was erosion then the top parts of the rock layers would have eroded away. So that's another example of scientists not thinking things through well enough because of their eagerness to deny the bible.

Refpunk, I think you should have a look at this thread, on which two geologists are going through the basics of their subject.

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=206&m=1 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=206&m=1">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=7&t=206&m=1

I say this because it's all very well disagreeing with something, but you obviously need to know and understand what it is that you're disagreeing with in the first place, before arguing against it.

Don't you agree?

It would be no good me arguing against Biblical creation if I'd never read the account in the Bible, and had no idea what the claims of young earth creationists were, would it?


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Message 207 of 372 (421307)
09-11-2007 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by EighteenDelta
09-10-2007 11:14 AM


Where the water came from and went.
EighteenDelta writes:

I don't even care to address the question of where it came from but when the flood waters receded, where did they go?

The only theory that matches the evidence is that the waters came from one person's imagination, and went into the imaginations of hundreds of millions of others, where it remains, drowning out reason, and swamping intelligent thought.

This also explains, in passing, why young earth creationists behave as if they have water on the brain, a condition that can lead to serious mental disabilities, including the constant repetition of the phrase "lots of water did it" when explaining just about every geological phenomenon on earth, not to mention all the fossils.

Message content "hidden". Use "peek" if you want to see it.

Bluegenes given 6 hour suspension. - Adminnemooseus

Note by 2nd edit: suspension reduced to 2 hours.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Hid content, added message.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.


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Message 210 of 372 (421630)
09-13-2007 12:51 PM
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09-13-2007 12:13 PM


Re: Where the water came from and went.
While I am sorry for your suspension, at least thank you for acknowledging my question which seems to have been totally ignored by the target audience. I imagine it will remain ignored since it is not rationally explainable anyways.

But it is rationally explainable, and I gave the only possible rational explanation in my post.

Thanks for the sympathy, but the suspension didn't matter. You probably know that you can see the message by using the "peek" button. It wasn't entirely frivolous, and in fact it's the strongest theory for the origin and dispersal of the flood waters that you'll ever see, because it fits the evidence perfectly. It's indisputably true, and I was only guilty of stating the obvious, which can be boring, I suppose.

I'll probably get another suspension, now, for talking about water, of all things, on a thread entitled "Was there a worldwide flood?";)


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Message 216 of 372 (421642)
09-13-2007 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by bdfoster
09-13-2007 1:22 PM


Re: Where the water came from and went.
The only problem is cramming all of geologic history, all the tectonic movement on every fault in the world, into the flood year.

I don't suffer from sea-sickness, but I wouldn't have wanted to be on the Ark with all that going on underneath me.


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Message 220 of 372 (421674)
09-13-2007 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by RAZD
09-13-2007 3:28 PM


Re: And the record of all this is .... in what book?
RAZD writes:

Or after it landed if the continents were still combined then..

I happen to know that Noah and his family all came straight to this island, at that stage, and started breeding like rabbits. That's because they had to start building hundreds of stone circles (900 known) and do numerous extensive mining operations, build thousands of burial mounds, set up 40,000 monoliths, and till thousands of neolithic fields. So, the rest of the world was empty for a while, post flood.

(I'm a founder member of the YEC Post Flood Speculative Archaeological Society. Anyone care to join? It's free, and it's fun, and, of course, no qualifications in the field are required).


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