Bible Question: What was the First Sin?

So are you are saying sin is only a violation of those 613 commandments?These commandments were given about 3200 years ago so no sin was commited prior to that time. Is this what you are saying?The 613 commandments you reference was given to the nation of Israel.
Gentiles have never been under those laws.
But if Jesus took the law out of the way nailing it to the cross then no one commits sin today. I always thought if God said don't and you did you sinned.Which would make the first man that disobeyed God the first sinner, having commited the first sin.The first woman did not commit the first sin as God did not tell her not to eat the fruit.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

IF God exists, then I see it like this:

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1) Free will was offered. Humanity became aware of it. Willful rebellion (freethinking) was thus a reality.

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2) Jesus Christ, who was foreknown from the beginning (since whatever humans do can't be a surprise to God since He is omniscient) became willful reconciliation. We thus have a choice in the matter.

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3) God accepts all people. Not all people accept God.

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Either:

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God foreknows who will and will not accept Him. This acknowledgment matters.

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God foreknows who will and will not accept Him. This action (on our part)does not matter.

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We choose our own destiny through our behavior.
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We choose our destiny through our acceptance alone.(unmerited Grace)

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so either:

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God does not exist. We still choose our legacy through behavior.
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God exists. We choose our destiny and reconciliation through either acceptance (willful subordination) and/or behavior.

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Is this confusing enough yet?

I agree. I agree. I agree with part. God exists. We choose our destiny and reconciliation through either acceptance. Leave out either it is only by our acceptance.This part: or behavior. I totaly disagree with.The first man commited the first sin which separated man from God as God can not have sin in His presence.An unconditional pardon is offered through the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross of calvary to everyone who will believe God and take Him at His Word.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Isn't part of acceptance willfull subordination to God?The real question is whether the willful obeying of God's law, whether or not we know they are from God, denotes a subconscious acceptance.If God is reality and truth, Phat, and someone guides their behaviour based on reality and truth, did they accept God? Do we have to say 'I accept God' before we can judge our actions according to reason?

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Do we have to say 'I accept God' before we can judge our actions according to reason?

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I don't think so. A good atheist is better than a bad believer. 'Belief' is not a commandment, and I see it as a suspicious requirement.'Only the soul that sinneth (commits a crime) - it shall pay'Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

delete double postEdited by AdminPhat, : delete double post

I thought I might share some of my knowledge about sin with you. First of all, the 613 commandments are the commandments given to the Jewish people. There are 7 commandments that were given to the non-Jews. The definition of a sin is the disobeying of any commandment given from the Creator. The sin that Adam committed was the disobeying of the only commandment given to man. He therefore sinned. Also, on a side note, one of the 10 commandments given on the mountain in the desert is the acceptance of the creator as one. Just for the record, the starter of this thread was wrong. Speaking falsehood was not a sin because there was no commandment not to do it. If you want to be really precise, the first things to sin were the trees. The trees were commanded to give forth wood that tasted like fruit and they disobeyed and gave forth only fruit that tasted like fruit.

Gen 1:11-12
Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
NIVThe trees were never commanded to give forth wood.Also, those 613 commandments of the jewish people developed over time. It started with 10, but throughout history and through the act of selfish nature (even as Jesus reported), they kept making more to suit their own personal lives. Edited by Mikael Fivel, : No reason given.

"I don't think so. A good atheist is better than a bad believer. 'Belief' is not a commandment, and I see it as a suspicious requirement."Good people don't go to heaven. you can be a good person, but without Christ, you don't make it there. Hence the "No one shall see the father, except through me". Belief is as much a commandment as it said to be, which is why the scripture "He who believes in me shall have eternal life" and hundreds of others like it hold meaning.

Then why would anybody want to go there?

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What i mean to say, is that you can't simply be a good person and get into heaven. It requires steps being taken.You don't get to go to the homecoming if you're not part of the Body of Christ - so to speak.And please don't take my sentences out of their context. I explained the clause of my statement right after i said that. No offense, i just don't like having to repeat myself. Edited by Mikael Fivel, : No reason given.

I know what you said. It's what you said that I'm questioning.The topic is: What was the first sin?
In order to answer that question, we need to know what "sin" is.Now, you're saying that being a good person isn't "good enough". How is being a good person related to sin? (Never mind the usual rote hogwash about "sacrifices", etc. Try to think it through for yourself.)So, the question is, again: Why would I choose to go to heaven with the step-takers when I have the option of being with the ordinary good people instead?

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"Now, you're saying that being a good person isn't "good enough". How is being a good person related to sin? (Never mind the usual rote hogwash about "sacrifices", etc. Try to think it through for yourself.)So, the question is, again: Why would I choose to go to heaven with the step-takers when I have the option of being with the ordinary good people instead?"I never said anything to the contrary of what i originally posted, so there's no "now you're saying" involved. I never posted that original thing about being a good person, i responded to it. Being a good person has two meanings. You can be a good person who lives the christian life, according to the Bible, or you can be a good person who does not. The latter will not receive forgiveness of sin because he has not been baptized in accordance with the Bible. That's how being a good person (the former in my comparison) relates to sin, he can be forgiven because of his obedience to the Gospel.So here's the answer to your question:
Choose what one you want, you have the free will NOT to. You're already better off because you know of God's will, and you know what scripture says about how to live the christian life. I know where i'm headed because of how i'm doing in this world and what i'm doing.Edited by Mikael Fivel, : No reason given.

There's a comma after the "Now". I didn't mean it in the sense of "Now you're saying something different." I meant it in the sense of, "Oh, by the way, you're saying...."I didn't say you changed anything. Don't be so defensive. As I said, I'm not interested in any hogwash about "baptism" or what you think is "in accordance with the Bible".I'm not asking for a sermon. I'm asking some fairly simple questions here: What is sin? Specifically, what was the first sin? Why was it "wrong"?What is it about sin that distinguishes it from "goodness"? (Bear in mind that we're talking about the first sin here, presumably in Genesis, so New Testament jumping-through-hoops doesn't really apply.)

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"As I said, I'm not interested in any hogwash about "baptism" or what you think is "in accordance with the Bible"."-you seemed to be when you asked what the relationship between good people and sin is. so i answered you, and i answered you in the clearest ways i could then."I'm not asking for a sermon. I'm asking some fairly simple questions here: What is sin? Specifically, what was the first sin? Why was it "wrong"?"-it's really very simple, as it's stated over and over again throughout the bible. i'm not sure why people are trying to make technicalities of the situation. Sin, in and of itself, is knowingly going against the will of somebody else (but in retrospect, God), which is what Eve did against God when she ate the fruit (she knew not to, but did it anyways, regardless of what was told to her by the serpent).
There's no technicalities, she didn't have to listen to the serpent. It's wrong because God said "Don't eat the fruit of tree of knowledge of good and evil", plain and simple - and that was the sin against God.