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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
"And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life." So, pairs of all the animals that ever existed were on the ark. All the creatures that we find fossilized in the "flood deposits" were on the ark. Multiply my food and water estimates by 100 then. 720,000 tons of cargo. There's not enough space in the ark for the animals, let alone the cargo. You've been taught to accept a myth as the truth, Repzion, I'm sorry to say.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2520 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
It was Noah, his wife and his kids and their wives...
The BEST you could hope for in the next generation is 1st cousin marriage. Everyone has Noah as a father or a grandfather. How much inbreeding are we talking about here. And, how many generations has it been since then? How do we get Nigerians, Aboriginese, Japanese, Swedes, Egyptians, Navajo, etc etc etc in so few generations? The harder you look at the Flood myth, the less stuff makes sense - because it's a myth. It's a story used to impart moralistic information not historical information.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Which raises yet another problem, courtesy of Dr. Henry Morris' human population model (exerpt from my "Bunny Blunder" page at No webpage found at provided URL: http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/bunny.html):
quote: With such a huge ante-diluvial human population, where are all the human fossils? Human fossils should be mixed in with all those other animals that perished in the Flood. So where are the the human fossils in those "Fossil 'graveyards'" mentioned in Repzion's sources (first link, #4, and second link, #32)?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
All the creatures that we find fossilized in the "flood deposits" were on the ark. Multiply my food and water estimates by 100 then. 720,000 tons of cargo. To be fair, the "99% of all species are dead" claim is not based on counting extinct species known from the fossil record against known living species, but on more indirect reasoning.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
It's all very aproximate, anyway. My one litre of water per week per animal is very generous to the creationist side. Actually, young Rep needs to be pointed towards more up to date creationist stuff which will only have "kinds" on the ark, then an enormous amount of speeded up evolution in the last 5000 tears. I assume that the Ark problem is the main reason why AiG and others are pushing the idea of "kinds".
However, my point about lots of the herbivores requiring living plants to feed off is a good one. The Ark requires a large plantation on board, as well as a huge tank of fresh water. The silly thing about all this is that the event requires magic from God anyway, so of course, he can solve all the problems by magic, which he has to do anyway after the flood, because a lot of the animals move so slowly that some kind of magic redistribution is necessary. I reckon that South American snails and sloths would just about be arriving on their home continent now, if there were land bridges available, which there aren't. The text you quoted makes things very difficult for fludologists, on its own. I sometimes wonder what we're doing, having arguments here that were already won in the nineteenth century. It's 2007. We're in a time warp!
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EighteenDelta Inactive Member |
I think this illustrates the plagerisms in the old testament pretty well.
Forbidden! The texts in question often predate any biblical texts, for example the Gilgamesh epic was recorded no later than the 3rd millennium BC, significantly predating any copies of the genesis version. The simple 'reason' for the unsubstantiated claim of 200+ global stories of the deluge is simple cultural theft. Idiots speak louder than words (yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)
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EighteenDelta Inactive Member |
I think you grossly under estimate the amount of food and fodder, not to mention water that would be required. I think the history of military logistics proves that point fairly well. Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army is an excellent resource in this area. For example a horse eats a mixture of 20 kg or feed and fodder a day with about 10 kg of water. I think your figures are under by orders of magnitude even. This is even assuming one could store such quantities of required resources. Ask any farmer what happens to wet hay after a matter of weeks.
Idiots speak louder than words (yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)
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Refpunk Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Refpunk's post was a lengthy cut-n-paste from another website that he provided without attribution and no introductory words of his own. A link to the original site appears below. Flood Legends from Around the World Edited by Admin, : Replace lengthy cut-n-paste with link to the original source.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3625 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Repzion: Was there a worldwide flood? No. ___ Edited by Archer Opterix, : html. Archer All species are transitional.
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the-eliot-one Junior Member (Idle past 6089 days) Posts: 2 From: England Joined: |
The bible flood could not have happened because there are absolutley no complete gaps in civilizations accounting reccords for any of the feesible timing of the flood Egypt Numidia both sit right through the time the flood would have had to have occured how on earth could they have been totally wiped out because of the sin of man.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi "Never argue with an idiot, they'll only bring you down to their level and then beat you on experience"-unknown Goodwins law- "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." 'Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt' - Julius Caesar (rough translation, 'Men will think what they want to think') "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." - Anais Nin.
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Refpunk Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Yet I wonder why there ar exactly ZERO accounts of ancient peoples describing their ancestors being cavemen. Why do you think that is?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet I wonder why there ar exactly ZERO accounts of ancient peoples describing their ancestors being cavemen. Why do you think that is? Even though that is a totally irrelevant question when considering the Great Wetting that Never Happened, it is reasonable that no such tales exist. Floods are a pretty common occurrence, they happen repeatedly and continue happening even today. Any "Cavemen" ancestors (and caveman i just a silly name suitable only for cartoons) lived many tens of thousands of years before modern language and writing methods were developed. The reason we don't have such tales is just time and the fact that humans evolved and went on to write stories about more exciting things. The fact is, there never was a worldwide flood. It just plain never happened. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
But, you know, we don’t need to see the Flood with our own eyes to believe it happened. According to creationists, we do need to see it with our own eyes. Creationists believe that unless we actually witness an event ourselves, we are perfectly free to believe anything that we want. -
We have plenty of historical and geological evidence. According to creationists, interpretations of evidence depend on assumptions based on one's worldview, and so one can assume whatever one wants in order to get the interpretation that one desires. I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3625 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Refpunk: Yet I wonder why there ar exactly ZERO accounts of ancient peoples describing their ancestors being cavemen. Why do you think that is? Because Fred and Wilma killed all the witnesses when Pebbles became an unwed mitochondrial mother. Archer All species are transitional.
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Refpunk Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
That's because there were no neanderthals or ape-men. The theory of evolution is so absurd that it's an emparrassment to people who call themselves educated.
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