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Straggler Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Einstein was far from a theist
Netwon spent more time trying to turn things into Gold than he did considering either God or the universe. Einstein was wrong about randomness. Nobody is perfect I guess.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Its got nothing to do with my faith - So you admit that it is not evidence for your faith and your particular brand of creationism. Thanks for clearing that up. Now can we get to the positive evidence for your creationism? Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Yes. In their appearence, weight, size and purpose.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Einstein, born and raised in a precarious time and place, evidenced his belief in his later years; Newton was a deeply religious man - his letters and essays were released recently on Creationism.
quote: Not so. That he could not accept randomness in Quantumn makes him correct and vindicated.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Why do you think science has not found any cause behind the universe's emergence - or a single item's origin within the universe? This is evidence, even in a murder trial in a court, as (circumstantial) evidence by elimination. No alternative exists for creationism. Sorry if this offends your faith.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think I have ever read so much nonsense in one post.
In addition to including numerous falsehoods and outright nonsensical assertions, what does any of that have to do with what you quoted? I said:
While some might see the Bible as positive evidence, they have to provide some reason for it to be given anymore weight than the Norse Mythology or any other creation myths. Now exactly what support do you have for the Bible being given more weight than any other creation myth? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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anglagard Member (Idle past 863 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
So essentially you are arguing that your beliefs must be true because of the 'first cause argument' which is what, 2500 years old? So how does the first cause argument support your specific belief system as opposed to any other?
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Yes. In their appearence, weight, size and purpose. Oh, so you know Doctor Pangloss?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Why do you think science has not found any cause behind the universe's emergence
Firstly it's a difficult question. Science is like that. Secondly you are presuming principles of causality for which there is evidence against.
No alternative exists for creationism. Sorry if this offends your faith.
Once you get beyond linear cause and effect as anything other than a convenient and reliable model derived from the limitations of human perception, you will be able to evolve beyond these fantasies and enjoy the true wonder of nature as it really is. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Not so. That he could not accept randomness in Quantumn makes him correct and vindicated
Vindicated how?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Ask where quarks come from, and how new particles ('virtual' particles) are made, inturn responsible for all products in the universe. Here we are told there are 'vibrations' in the eather which excite the quarks ... No. No-one has ever told you that. You made that up.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Einstein, born and raised in a precarious time and place, evidenced his belief in his later years; Could you try to tell the truth more often? "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." -- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts." -- Albert Einstein, The World as I See It "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." -- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side Still, at least you didn't go so far as to claim that he was a creationist.
Newton was a deeply religious man - his letters and essays were released recently on Creationism. I suppose a man ignorant of evolution would be a creationist by default. But did he have any good arguments for it?
Not so. That he could not accept randomness in Quantumn makes him correct and vindicated. You do know how the EPR experiment turned out, don't you? No, I guess you don't. Why don't you look it up? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Here we are told there are 'vibrations' in the eather which excite the quarks, ... "eather" [sic]? Aether? What are you talking about? The luminiferous aether ("light-bearing aether" -- Luminiferous aether - Wikipedia) is a 19th century concept that could never be supported experimentally and was superceded in the early 20th century by Einsteinian physics. Laddie, you're stuck in the 19th century. Time you join us in the 21st century. PSThat Wikipedia article mentions modern geocentrists who base their beliefs on fundamentalist Christianity. You aren't one of those, are you? In that case then, you'd be stuck in a far earlier century than the 19th. PPSFrom "Modern geocentrism" (Geocentric model - Wikipedia) (my emphasis): quote: Is this what you meant by your reference to "eather" [sic]? Edited by dwise1, : PS Edited by dwise1, : PPS
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Why do you think science has not found any cause behind the universe's emergence - or a single item's origin within the universe? This is evidence, even in a murder trial in a court, as (circumstantial) evidence by elimination. No alternative exists for creationism. Excuse me while I chuckle: you have had 150 plus some odd posts to provide evidence for your faith version of creationism, and all any of you can provide is:
Message 147 quote:Correct. No alternative exists here, and no science exists when this is strayed from. quote:Correct. A complexity never results from a random foundation - even allowing an eternal period of time. You can provide no evidence for anything more than a Deist god that designed the universe to operate by his physical laws. Not one piece of evidence for any involvement since then, because everything, down to the formation of snowflakes and the behavior of subatomic particles, is governed by those established physical laws.
Sorry if this offends your faith. It doesn't: I'm a Deist. A highly amused Deist. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : . compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
'A COMPLEXITY CANNOT BE REASONABLY FOUNDED ON A RANDOM FOUNDATION' - Prof. Roger Premrose/author f Multiverse. I don't mean to seem like I'm picking on ya, mate, but the only reference to Roger Pre(i?)mrose author of Multiverse was you on another forum. Could you point me to where I might find this "Atheist Cosmologist's" work. Maybe a website or an ISBN number (I couldn't find him on Amazon either, though). Or was he just made up in your head to give the appearance that you could back up your arguments?
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