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Phat
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Message 10 of 59 (412686)
07-25-2007 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Open MInd
07-25-2007 2:20 PM


Re: Why the world was created.
OpenMind writes:
I also narrowed the topic to a question on how credible the scientific theories can be if they don't give an explanation of why the world exists.
Science is usually in the business of explaining how rather than why.
Your question, in my opinion, is more along the lines of why you exist and why life exists and reality exists. Why is the universe here?
I have a lot more to say and will do so, but right now I need to go across town to a church meeting....I will be back, Open Mind, so keep it open!

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Message 20 of 59 (412801)
07-26-2007 11:16 AM
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07-26-2007 11:01 AM


Re: Science is very credible.
Personally, I think it is all rubbish to speculate on why or why not the owrld must exist rather than to get back to the real question of why we exist.From a strictly logical standpoint, I cannot answer that by strictly saying that by some universal throw of the dice, conditions just happened to be right for life on earth. Its cold, rational, and un-philosophical as pertaining to humans.
I believe that God has a specific purpose for each one of us. I believe that we are special in His eyes.
Each one of us has different needs in order to complete our sense of self, our perception and acknowledgment of our destiny, and our overall drive as a species.
I don't believe in the simple and coldly emotionless "survival of the fittest" merely for survivals sake.
I believe that the purpose for why you exist and why you ask us these questions is tied in to a larger and very important plan.
We all want to know why we are here and why everything is as it is.
I have personally seen young people who never had active Fathers who were more pessimistic and clueless regarding these questions, but overall that was no definite excuse---it was more of an observation.
Sometimes, other humans can't give you the answers that you seek.
God can. (Spiritual perspective)
Science can answer a lot of questions in a fact based reality as well, but it by no mans should prevent you from being a philosopher, should you so choose. Thats my 2 and a half cents worth!

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Message 22 of 59 (412803)
07-26-2007 11:21 AM
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07-26-2007 7:15 AM


Is That The Final Answer?
sidelined writes:
Of course perhaps it has been missed throughout the many centuries that religion never has answered the why question either, else people would no longer be asking would they?
Or maybe the answer exists yet people either cannot or will not find it.
The fact that we continue to ask questions is a good sign that we have not given up, however.

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Message 25 of 59 (412808)
07-26-2007 11:29 AM
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07-26-2007 11:18 AM


Re: The word "Why?"
Open Mind writes:
Basically, its not that the scientists don’t deal with the question of why, its that the scientists don’t even consider the word “why” to be a real word of meaning.
When Jason Cho went on his school carnage rampage, there were plenty of social scientists asking why.
Why is it that the same stresses and cultural influences that cause one teenager to become moody and overeat, piling up twinkies wrappers around their computer...would cause another kid to go by a TEC-9 and take out his biology class?
The religious people may say that we live in a fallen world and that people by nature are selfish, but that still does not explain why not all behave the same.
Psychiatrists have targeted chemical imbalances in the brain, and have attempted to fix them with a variety of pharmaceuticals--some of which work and some of which make other problems.
Personally, I believe that the answers to the reasons of why/how the world was created are to be found concretely in cosmology, and abstractly in both science and spirituality.
A wise man never places all his eggs in one basket, and I would imagine that a quest for answers would involve more than one disciplined field of study.
Are you in school? How do you feel about the answers that you are learning? Are they more than facts on a page? Are some of them stirrings within your soul? If so, I think that you are functioning quite appropriately as a human. You are asking questions and you are not afraid to look in more than one or two places to find them!

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Phat
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Message 26 of 59 (412809)
07-26-2007 11:38 AM
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07-26-2007 11:25 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
Catholic Scientist writes:
If you are hoping to feed the very human need for actual conscious meaning or intent in your 'why' then you will need to turn to religion.
I don't see how that gives the religious answer any more credibility.
It all depends on who thinks the answer to be credible. Some folks are happy with answers that frustrate or do not appease other folks.
Catholic Scientist writes:
Even religion can only provide limited respite from the question 'why' as eventually unanswerable questions about Gods motivation will always arise.
Q: Why did God create the universe?
A:
Phat writes:
Because He can.
Q: Why did God create the existence of man?
A:
Phat writes:
He has a purpose and destiny for us. We reflect His glory (like your kids reflect you)
Q: Why does God wish to be worshiped?
A:
Phat writes:
He knows that it is good for our mental health to do so.
( I know a few people won't like that one! )
Edited by Phat, : added features!

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Message 31 of 59 (412821)
07-26-2007 11:56 AM
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07-26-2007 11:51 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
Straggler writes:
Q: Why does he wish us good mental health?
I realize that I meant the answer in a general context. Perhaps I should clarify. IMB, God knows that humans need communion with Him. Without that source, our efforts and manifesting our destiny will be, in my opinion, ultimately futile and frustrating.
As a species, we could explore the farthest reaches of the known universe (ala Star Trek) but we would still be stuck with the same basic questions about life, meaning, and purpose that we now have (in my opinion)

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Phat
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Message 39 of 59 (412991)
07-27-2007 5:49 AM
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07-27-2007 12:50 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
Open Mind writes:
The only answers to the question "why?" is either conscious meaning or intent, or its just because.
I believe that the answers are more along the lines of conscious meaning or intent.
I disagree with the whole cosmic lottery approach as to why there is an earth and life on that earth.
I do not believe that we are here by chance.
For other views on this subject, check out Paul Davies whose book, Cosmic Jackpot seems to imply a bizzare multi verse theory of existence which implies that there are many other universes. He has another book which I have read parts of, The Mind Of God but his hypothetical God is not the one that you learn about in Sunday school! I'm just showing you because I know that you have an inquisitive nature and would probably be unafraid to read such books with any worry of it changing your faith.

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