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Author Topic:   Why was the world created?
Straggler
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Message 23 of 59 (412804)
07-26-2007 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Open MInd
07-26-2007 10:54 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
If no why can be thought of than the scientific theories are not complete, and the religions that answer this question will be more credible than science.
According to science the answer to why the universe exists is "Because it can". Because it can, it inevitably does.
You may not like that answer or consider it what you are looking for but in the absence of conscious intent what answer is there other than a technical answer of probability and inevitability?
If you are hoping to feed the very human need for actual conscious meaning or intent in your 'why' then you will need to turn to religion.
I don't see how that gives the religious answer any more credibility. It just feeds a more human need for answers of a certain type.
Despite potentially pandering to human desires at the expense of accuracy on this question no religion, as far as I am aware, has fully or satisfactorally actually answered the question of 'why' anyway.
Furthermore, for some reason everything else in the world has an answer to the question why?
Even religion can only provide limited respite from the question 'why' as eventually unanswerable questions about Gods motivation will always arise.
E.g.
Q: Why did God create the universe?
A: So that man could exist
Q: Why did God create the existence of man?
A: So that we could worship him
Q: Why does God wish to be worshipped?
A:
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 29 of 59 (412816)
07-26-2007 11:51 AM
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07-26-2007 11:38 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
Q: Why does he wish us good mental health?

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Straggler
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Message 33 of 59 (412826)
07-26-2007 12:02 PM
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07-26-2007 11:56 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
I realize that I meant the answer in a general context. Perhaps I should clarify. IMB, God knows that humans need communion with Him. Without that source, our efforts and manifesting our destiny will be, in my opinion, ultimately futile and frustrating.
As a species, we could explore the farthest reaches of the known universe (ala Star Trek) but we would still be stuck with the same basic questions about life, meaning, and purpose that we now have (in my opinion)
Q: Why would God create us to be futile and frustrated without him?

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Straggler
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Message 40 of 59 (413041)
07-27-2007 12:23 PM
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07-27-2007 12:50 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
The only answers to the question "why?" is either conscious meaning or intent, or its just because.
but my point is that even if you claim to know Gods intent you still end up with the question 'why' as to that intent.
I don't know where you got this answer to your question
So what would your answer be to that question?
and what intent is there behind whatever motive you give God for that answer.
That is the point.

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Straggler
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Message 50 of 59 (413175)
07-29-2007 3:24 PM
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07-27-2007 5:12 PM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
You may not understand the concept of a religious perspective of a supreme being.
I think I do....
The idea is that this being cannot be completely understood by humans because humans were not given the ability to understand Him.
But THAT is exactly MY point.
At some point you will reach a point where the only answer to the question "why" is "because it is", "because he is" or "because he does"
Naturalistic answers end up with "because it is"
Theistic answers end up with "because he is" or "because he does" (or other such variants)
Either naturalistic or theistic the end result is "just becuase...."
So to claim that theistic answers somehow answer the "why" is just wrong.
All they do is regress it a level or two.
The question of "why" is effectively unanswerable at root in any way that is satisfactory in terms of the intent that is implicitly being sought for in the OP.

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