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IamJoseph
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Message 121 of 216 (413272)
07-30-2007 7:42 AM


double post
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Message 122 of 216 (413273)
07-30-2007 7:43 AM


The two most pivotal factors impacting evolution as per darwin, would be:
Is Evolution effected by a finite universe; and what % of data transmissions is due to evolution after the 'seed' transmission is considered and factored in?
Outside of these two factors, the rest of darwin's research appears applicable to a process which does not necessarilly belong to evolution: at least 99% of all transmissions are manifestly from the host via the seed; a finite universe, namely one which emerged without any pre-existing products, appears better alligned with Genesis, including that the universe structures and products were not the result of a self-generating evolution but the extension of a designed program.
A finite universe, but which structures are intergrated, negates the premise of randomness. Eg: one can theorise a mobile phone and its battery is random - but not when we include a intergrated chip in the scenario.

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Message 123 of 216 (413283)
07-30-2007 8:37 AM
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07-30-2007 7:43 AM


You don't appear to have put a definition for the theory of evolution, or any comment on the previously proposed definitions, in to your incomprehensible gibberish filled post.
Are you off topic or just unable to write coherently?
TTFN,
WK

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Message 124 of 216 (413285)
07-30-2007 8:52 AM
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07-30-2007 8:37 AM


Any definition of evolution, theory included, has to account if it is a universal constant or not; if it is rendered superfluous by the 'seed' factor. Else it is incomprehensible.

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Message 125 of 216 (413287)
07-30-2007 9:29 AM
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07-30-2007 8:52 AM


OFF TOPIC
As noted you are off topic here.
...if it is a universal constant or not; if it is rendered superfluous by the 'seed' factor.
I suggest you start a thread on this so you can have your position well defined and allow people to refute it without affecting this thread with the inanity required.
Thank you.

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Message 126 of 216 (413333)
07-30-2007 11:28 AM
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07-30-2007 7:43 AM


very short warning suspension
Some hours to think before you post utter gibberish again. Soon you will start to lose science thread privileges totally.

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Message 127 of 216 (413343)
07-30-2007 12:31 PM


A Summary of Sorts.
What I have arrived at so far:
The theory of evolution is that hereditary traits of species change over time, that the change is enabled by the available variations (diversity) within populations due to past accumulations of different mutations in hereditary traits, and that the changes made within each generation are those selected by the differential response of organisms to passing on their hereditary traits under prevailing ecological pressures.
I think that covers the basics.
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Message 128 of 216 (413422)
07-30-2007 9:25 PM
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07-30-2007 9:29 AM


Re: OFF TOPIC
I dont think it is off topic to render a definition of evolution in a thread of this name. So I can't abide such a ridiculous ask! Your welcome.

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Message 129 of 216 (413476)
07-31-2007 2:14 AM
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07-30-2007 9:25 PM


Re: OFF TOPIC
The problem is that what you're saying doesn't mean anything.

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Message 130 of 216 (413481)
07-31-2007 3:01 AM
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07-31-2007 2:14 AM


Re: OFF TOPIC
quote:
A scorching-hot gas planet beyond our solar system is steaming up with water vapor, according to new observations from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope.
The planet, called HD 189733b, swelters as it zips closely around its star every two days or so. Astronomers had predicted that planets of this class, termed "hot Jupiters," would contain water vapor in their atmospheres. Yet finding solid evidence for this has been slippery. These latest data are the most convincing yet that hot Jupiters are "wet."
"We're thrilled to have identified clear signs of water on a planet that is trillions of miles away," said Giovanna Tinetti, a European Space Agency fellow at the Institute d'Astrophysique de Paris in France. " Tinetti is lead author of a paper on HD 189733b appearing today in Nature.
Although water is an essential ingredient to life as we know it, wet, hot Jupiters are not likely to harbor any creatures. Previous measurements from Spitzer indicate that HD 189733b is a fiery 1,000 Kelvin (1,340 degrees Fahrenheit) on average. Ultimately, astronomers hope to use instruments like those on Spitzer to find water on rocky, habitable planets like Earth...
Assuming that water is discovered on another planet or space body, and that planet is older than the earth: would this negate the evolution theory if life is not also found on that planet? At least, it may be deemed not a universal constant?
Life, via evolutionary adaptation, would not depend on a critical mix of conditions exclusive to this planet, to effect life. Adaptation, if this has credibility [it is a theory only, not a fact], cannot be just the ability to prevail over 'this' planet's negative, harsh conditions and evolve into life; it has to adapt and prevail under 'different' harsh conditions also - else life is a result of a focused, specialised impact, obviously limited to this planet in the known universe, rather than it being a universal constant. There is already life on earth on the harshest conditions imaginable - such as volcanoes and where light never reaches. Why not elsewhere?
IMHO, there is no life out there. The math and logics say so. Defining evolution thus requires absolute clarification if it is a universal constant - or posited as an oddity limited to this planet only. Because this factor proposes epochial impacts on the validity of evolution.

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Message 131 of 216 (413482)
07-31-2007 3:04 AM
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07-31-2007 3:01 AM


OFF TOPIC WARNING
You're heading for another suspension. Stick to the definitions, and leave your arguments about evolution out of it. And try to phrase them in meaningful English instead of your own personal jargon in future.

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Message 132 of 216 (413483)
07-31-2007 3:06 AM
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07-31-2007 3:01 AM


a constant is a number
Defining evolution thus requires absolute clarification if it is a universal constant
It is not a constant - it is a theory. However, it is universally applicable, and not just to biological life. That is why it can be generalised so easily.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Message 133 of 216 (413491)
07-31-2007 3:34 AM
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07-31-2007 3:06 AM


Re: a constant is a number
quote:
it is universally applicable
Any examples?

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Message 134 of 216 (413495)
07-31-2007 4:08 AM
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07-31-2007 3:34 AM


Any Examples?
Bi - o - lo - gy.

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Message 135 of 216 (413496)
07-31-2007 4:37 AM
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07-31-2007 3:34 AM


Re: a constant is a number
Any examples?
Of what? There is a specific theory of biological evolution, which obviously only discusses biological evolution. However, there is a more general wording which can be applied to any population of entities with imperfect transmission of hereditary units. An example that we can point to on this are virtual populations existing in a computer's memory. We can also look to language and culture as things which exist in populations and that change over time - but they are a little esoteric.
There isn't much more I can say to a two word response, I'm afraid.

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