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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: This factor was never related to the issue; that Israel was called a nation was. It is also true that Israel status became a nation officially, regardless of the terms children of jacob being repeated.
quote: You are wrong. The passage is narrated retrospcetively by Moses, as is Adam's story. The OT is not texted chronologically but contectually - and this is the correct way.
quote: It does not apply. Only that Israel had no kings when the OT was written and contexted, during the life of Moses, applies. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The name Jerusalem, which appears over 500 times in the OT, was established by Abraham, by connecting two Hebrew words. It was established as the Capital by David. It never existed before - with that name.
quote: Its not a fabrication. It is followed by real history: this became a sovereign nation 200 years later under king David. The war of deborah and the battles of Samson occured in the Judges period - less than 100 years after Joshua.
quote: It was sovereign till the Roman invasion, which accounts for a 1000 years. The babylon invasion represented a 70 year absence only. Lets hope your science is not vested on similar assumptions! Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I won't waste any more time on grammar here. My position is the OT grammar is correct and the highest example of it than anyplace else. I suspect you guys are clinging to desparate improvised straws which have no credibility.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: No sir. It could only be written when no kings existed, as a pointer to the other nations and the events in question; and by the fact it is stated by one who was not around when kings of israel appeared in the future. Its like Moses writing about Adam - before any other humans existed; the verses are retrospective to the narrative's and setting's spacetime.
quote: Of coz, only the Mosaic five books define the israelite and hebrew history pre and post ancient egypt. The other writings are post-Mosaic (Torah) descriptions of later events. These are categorised as OT by christianity, which lumps it all together, depending on what it sees as fitting the NT.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The name 'JERUSALEM' was coined by Abraham and Melchizedek. One Prefered Yeru, the other argued for Shlayim; finally, both Hebrew words were combined, and Yerushalayim was settled with. The later narratives use this name retrospectively.
quote: David established Jerusalem as the Capital after defeating the Philistines; the name was established by Abraham; Jacob knew about the sacredness of this place and its name, as the point his father Isaac was offered as a sacrice by Abraham.
quote: The distinction of being a vassal state under Rome was not the fulcrum issue here, but that this was the Jewish kingdom in 70CE. There was no such place as Palestine or christianity during Jesus' time - he was not a christian or European. Its historical revisionism, better allocated to a belief system only.
quote: And had you read actual history, you would have known that over 1 million other jews were executed by the Roman holocaust - unpardonably disregarded in the NT. Your use of the term 'rebellion'by the jews is somewhat naive here! How about: WHEN FREEDOM OF BELIEF - BECAME ROME'S GREATEST WAR?
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The variant, grotesque and antithetical reading of this texts is yours, not mine. This is true by concencus, period of time, and almost every commentary throughout a host of writings by the sages in this spacetime between the OT and the last hebrew books before 70 CE; then again from that point to today. Subtle point?
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Correction! Adam is vested in Moses' past; kings in Moses' future. Not quite exactly the same - the retrospective factor only applies with the past; where no time machine was required. Subtle point?
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Double post
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Its an abuse to the premise of proof.
quote: The philistines, a non-semetic peoples, spoke no Hebrew; Jerusalem is a hebrew name. The name Palestine was coined by Rome, as a reference to Israel's ancient enemies (the philistines) conquered by David a 1000 years earlier. There was never a land called Palestine before Rome's destruction of Jerusalem.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: The above details, including the names of Cyrus and Darius, are first and better described in the Book of Esther. Cyrus is mentioned as the persian king who sanctioned the return of the jews to Judea and israel, and the rebuilding of the temple. That it is also mentioned in later, greek writings - is a vindication of the OT. This is uneffected by the discrepencies found in Herodotus' motivated writings: Herodotus:Father of History, Father of Lies By David PipesHerodotus - Wikipedia
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
That's NUTS. There is no description of Babylon 2600 years ago better than that of the book of Esther. Its like reading the Sunday morning papers - the details are unequalled in its historicity, whereby a single passage says more than any other document. Stating so boldly that there is no corraboration is quiet ignorant: babylon invaded Israel and all Jews were exiled here; the Talmud was written here, and a number of revered figures are buried there. Your response is surely not worth catering to - sorry!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Yes, it is evidence if the names and historical data is authentic and contemporary. This is how king david was evidenced in the Tel Dan find. There is no video recording of the event.
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