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Message 298 of 311 (414241)
08-03-2007 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by New Cat's Eye
08-03-2007 2:48 PM


Re: more on singularities
This is the formation of A singularity. This is not how the singularity formed (the one that our universe arrose from).
Ok you are saying Dr. Hawking told us how A singularity was formed.
Would you care to inform me and the world where the singularity our universe arose from came from or how it was formed?
Or do you prefer to keep your head in the sand, and just come up and rant every now and then.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 299 of 311 (414242)
08-03-2007 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by NosyNed
08-03-2007 2:37 PM


Re: Another try at explaining
Hi Ned,
However, that doesn't mean that there isn't an "anything" for all this to come from. That "anything" simply won't be something defined by GR. It won't be space or time as we bumble about trying to use those terms.
Ned I have no problem with there being somewhere for the singularity to come from. As in string theory of some sort or bounce theory.
I do have a problem with the singularity as I find it in Dr. Hawking's lectures and all the other information I find on the different web sites about singularity.
Some of the posters have a problem with reading english statements and understanding what they say. They have to incorporate their personal knowledge and beliefs into what they read.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 302 of 311 (414246)
08-03-2007 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by cavediver
08-03-2007 3:10 PM


Re: Summary includng Pictures
Here we have ths standard big bang scenario.
Stupid question, Why would the universe only go one direction rather than in all directions?
Here the quantum corrections have revealed that the Universe did not begin at T=0 of the big bang, but emerged from an earlier time. This enlarged Universe may well have been eternal, stretching back infinitely into the past...
This one makes sense.
'time' as continuing outside the Universe, 'before' its existence.
Why would time as we know it have to exist in eternity if it was just one great big now?
Enjoyed the input.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 303 of 311 (414247)
08-03-2007 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by jar
08-03-2007 1:41 PM


Re: Summary including nonsense and irrelevancies.
jar, thank you for your vote of confidence.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 304 of 311 (414248)
08-03-2007 3:44 PM


Re Final post
I want to thank those who participated and those who just did their rant's.
It was educational believe it or not.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 309 of 311 (414423)
08-04-2007 2:46 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Son Goku
08-03-2007 3:31 PM


Re: Summary
This is the crux of the debate and you take a point of view that I don't understand. Your claim is that because we don't know the physics preceding this point it somehow invalidates physics afterwards?
No I am saying if Dr. Hawking is correct in what he said:Message 257
The positive curvature of spacetime produced singularities...
Gravity curls up spacetime so that it has a begining and an end.
There could be no singularity that the universe came from and there has to be a better explanation.
ICANT writes:
Spacetime has a beginning and an end.
No gravity no beginning of spacetime.
No spacetime no singularity.
No singularity no big bang.
Gravity supposedly came after the big bang.
Enjoy

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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