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Topic: General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 11.0
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Hyroglyphx
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Re: not to whine, but.
such as right now?  Yeah, I was going to mention that too.
why Beats me.... 
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Admin
Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 1.9
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Re: not to whine, but.
nemesis_juggernaut writes: arachnophilia writes: is it better when there are more snippets per post? why? Beats me.... The practical pragmatic reason is that threads are limited to 300 messages. While there's nothing inherently wrong with chat-style exchanges, this board is oriented more toward and attempts to encourage thoughtful and carefully considered discussion. We do have a chat room.
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jar
Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 258 of 304 (414462)
08-04-2007 10:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 257 by Admin
08-04-2007 7:45 AM
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Re: not to whine, but.
I'm sorry but often a short, succinct reply is far better than a large pile of bullshit.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Admin
Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 1.9
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Message 259 of 304 (414480)
08-04-2007 11:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 258 by jar
08-04-2007 10:34 AM
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Re: not to whine, but.
jar writes: I'm sorry but often a short, succinct reply is far better than a large pile of bullshit. Yes, sure, absolutely, that's precisely what I was saying, that lengthy bullshit is preferred over succinctness.  Just in case anyone else is confused, the concern is about a chatroom-style series of exchanges at a message board that quickly eat up the 300-message thread limit and that tend to run counter to the well-considered and deliberate approach to discussion that we like to encourage here.
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jar
Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 260 of 304 (414485)
08-04-2007 12:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 259 by Admin
08-04-2007 11:41 AM
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Re: not to whine, but.
Yes, sure, absolutely, that's precisely what I was saying, that lengthy bullshit is preferred over succinctness. Often Percy, that seems to be the norm lately. And as to the 300 message limit, that is really an artificial issue. The effort required to close one thread and open a continuation thread is minimal, and part of bringing people to EvC is that they communicate with each other. That may include exchanges between two members. In this case, I found the exchanges in question to be pretty much on topic. They were discussions trying to outline some of the issues regarding a person who was articulate and a Biblical Creationist, as well as the dynamics of some of the people responding to that individual.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member
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Message 261 of 304 (414502)
08-04-2007 1:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 257 by Admin
08-04-2007 7:45 AM
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Re: not to whine, but.
The practical pragmatic reason is that threads are limited to 300 messages. Why do we have a 300 limit rule? Presumably its so that debates don't go on for all eternity. But often what happens with popular thread that end up getting closed is that someone simply makes a sequel thread. In which case, the 300 post limit didn't really prevent anything.
While there's nothing inherently wrong with chat-style exchanges, this board is oriented more toward and attempts to encourage thoughtful and carefully considered discussion. We do have a chat room. Understandable. However, not every one is on chat when a question needs to be asked. For instance, to my recollection I don't think I've ever seen you on Chat. How then would I be able to contact you for something? I guess I just don't understand why all posts need to be lengthy discourses, when sometimes being brief and to the point says it all.
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt
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Admin
Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 1.9
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Re: not to whine, but.
nemesis_juggernaut writes: However, not every one is on chat when a question needs to be asked. For instance, to my recollection I don't think I've ever seen you on Chat. How then would I be able to contact you for something? Email to Admin.
I guess I just don't understand why all posts need to be lengthy discourses,... They don't and no one has ever said they did.
...when sometimes being brief and to the point says it all. Concern is "chat-style series of exchanges." Brief yet clear, I hope? 
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AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: 10-11-2003
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Re: not to whine, but.
The 300 limit rule is a technical issue. We have had major msg loss in the past when threads get beyond 300. The last time we thought the issue was taken care of and let threads go beyond 300 we found that we were mistaken. The thread was corrupted beyond any possibility of reclaiming the data. Hopefully when the next iteration of the board comes out that will not be an issue. Until then we stick to the 300 rule.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 431 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 264 of 304 (414519)
08-04-2007 1:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 262 by Admin
08-04-2007 1:40 PM
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Speaking of "brief yet clear": When a moderator uses up a post to say, "Topic Reminder! Remember the topic, people!" I don't find that particularly helpful. It would be nice if they told us what their idea of on-topic and off-topic was. Remember that not all of us are narrowly focused. Some of us are explorers.
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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300 limit
It seems it might be a good idea to keep a limit anyway. Haven't we seen that threads are improved with a regrouping and restarting every so often.
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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member
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300
The 300 limit rule is a technical issue. We have had major msg loss in the past when threads get beyond 300. In that case, its a very good reason to limit it.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 435 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 267 of 304 (415475)
08-10-2007 10:08 AM
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To Admin nem
If you can't recognize the insults being thrown at me from taz, then I will defend myself every time, using whatever language I see fit, unless there is a freedom of speech problem here. Just remember, I am not the one starting it. What taz has claimed on me, is highly insulting. As far as what is going on in my personal life, has nothing to do with it, I am just sick and tired of people getting away with breaking the rules, at my expense in this forum, and your unwarranted moderation of me, just proves it. Why not warn the person who started it? You can't just go around accusing whole groups of people, that they think slavery is a great idea. That is called prejudice, and should not be tolerated on any level in this forum.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18295 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 268 of 304 (415476)
08-10-2007 10:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 267 by riVeRraT
08-10-2007 10:08 AM
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Re: To Admin nem
I know that you are discussing these issues with Admin Nem, but I would like to have a few minutes with you in chat, if your computer supports chat. If not, can you let me know? I will be sitting in there for a few minutes! 
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3310 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 269 of 304 (415498)
08-10-2007 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 267 by riVeRraT
08-10-2007 10:08 AM
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Tackling the root of the problem rather than continue with the symptoms.
riverrat writes: You can't just go around accusing whole groups of people, that they think slavery is a great idea. That is called prejudice, and should not be tolerated on any level in this forum.
The fact that you don't recognize that as an anology tells me you are currently clouded by your own emotions, which in the beastiality thread I fully explained why emotions should be kept in check. I was pointing out that you have certain prejudices and that resolving one kind of prejudice isn't solving the problem. It is like trying to treat the symptoms rather than disease. Before, you admitted to be absolutely disgusted by homosexuality, but now you recognized that it's none of your business what those people do and you support their right to privacy. But now, you turn around and condemn outright people who want to have the right to privacy the act of beastiality. Can you see what I'm trying to say? You are dealing with the symptoms rather than the disease. Frankly, it's kind of annoying for me to have to deal with you issue by issue rather than get you to understand that prejudice of other people's private sex lives, especially when all parties involved that are recognized to have rights have given consent, is the root of your problem. Now, take a look at the analogy again. You've admitted that Native Americans shouldn't be enslaved even though you still think they are inferior. But you are complaining to me that you just don't understand why you can't enslave the Africans. Enslaving Native Americans or Africans isn't the true root of the problem. It's enslaving anyone that's the problem. Being prejudice to homosexuals isn't the true root of the problem here, rat. It's being prejudice to anyone who doesn't seem to conform to your particular beliefs on private issues. And notice that we are talking about private behaviors here who only involve consenting adults and mere objects of property. So, please, don't be like NJ and bring up rape as an example of private sex lives, because it is not. Rape involves one or more party members not giving consent. Added by edit. There's an old saying. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Show the man how to fish and you feed him for life. Personally, I'm tired of having to give you fish after fish. I'd rather just show you how to fish your own food as well as make you understand that crabs, lobsters, and a myriad other sea creatures are edible, too. Discussion in this thread is restricted to original complainants and moderators. This thread is not for discussing member behavior, but to discuss moderator procedures. Anyone disrupting this process will lose access to this forum until the situation is resolved. Posts not addressing moderation procedures will be rendered invisible. Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning - To view the contents use the peek button, but do not respond.
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 435 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 270 of 304 (415504)
08-10-2007 1:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 269 by Taz
08-10-2007 1:19 PM
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Re: Tackling the root of the problem rather than continue with the symptoms.
Everything you have just said, is all BS, and this is not the place to discuss it. You are pretty much a hypocrite, and a liar. Discussion in this thread is restricted to original complainants and moderators. This thread is not for discussing member behavior, but to discuss moderator procedures. Anyone disrupting this process will lose access to this forum until the situation is resolved. Posts not addressing moderation procedures will be rendered invisible. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning - Use the peek button to read post content, but do not respond.
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