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Author Topic:   What is an Articulate Informed Creationist
NosyNed
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Message 93 of 154 (414489)
08-04-2007 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Percy
08-04-2007 8:19 AM


More than creationism
I agree with Miller's concern about the overall level of knowledge and thinking ability.
If the creationists win in the long term it will only be by stifling rational thinking. The consequences for the US are large indeed.
I think that here in Canada they are not winning. A politician who is found to hold their beliefs is laughed at. (We have some , and their colleagues try to keep it quiet ). To the degree that other countries hold them in check those other countries will surpass the US.

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NosyNed
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Message 100 of 154 (414530)
08-04-2007 2:48 PM
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08-04-2007 2:01 PM


Re: What is an Articulate Informed Creationist
The topic is about both articulate and informed. IaJ is particularly uninformed so he isn't the example we need.

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Message 101 of 154 (414531)
08-04-2007 2:52 PM
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08-04-2007 2:15 PM


Then nature of rational thinking
Rational thinking involves considering the evidence available, using well defined logical steps to connect the dots and arrive at conclusions which can be followed by others.
The apes to man example is evidenced by a chain of "dots" in the past and existing evidence that makes it a rational conclusion based on the evidence. Those who argue against this conclusion have never, that I've seen taken all the evidence into account and explained it in any way.

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Message 106 of 154 (414539)
08-04-2007 4:07 PM
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08-04-2007 3:32 PM


Informed
He seems to be pretty well informed on what he believes.
It is just that if what he believes is the truth then the rest of us are a bunch of intellectual dwarfs.
What he believes isn't what counts in this case. It is being informed about facts of the real world that I think is interesting in this context. For someone to argue over the various ideas about geology, time scales and biology they need to have a grounding in the most significant facts. If they are utterly uninformed about what is known about the world they can be very articulate but unable to really join into the discussion.

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