What is an Articulate Informed Creationist

Thanks for the plug Buzz.I thought I was inarticulate until I look up the definition. Articulate Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.comI think I can at least qualify on the first 2.As far as informed, Paulk kind of hit that nail on the head. When I came here in March you could write what I knew about science on the head of a pen.My knowledge of theology is something else.I would like to think my knowledge base has increased immensely since then.But you must remember just about everything I now know about science I have read either here or on some web site. Therefore the quality is in question.Now I would like to address one question some of you have about why creationist do not down other creationist.It probably comes from the fact that everybody has an opinion.And most creationist believe that everyone is entitled to have their opinion, right or wrong does not matter. I have to give an account to God for what I teach not what anyone else teaches. Therefore I am very busy trying to learn so everything I present is the truth. This leaves little time to try to correct others false teaching. At last count there was at least 34,000 different religious groups in the world and growing.I hope I didn't get too far off topic with this post.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

So you are telling me to be an informed person that believes in creation by God I have to believe that creationism's only hope of gaining entry into science classrooms hinges upon maintaining the appearance that creationism is science an not religion.That is ridiculous.I do believe God created the universe. That = creationist.I do not believe the Biblical account of creation should be taught in a science class, never have.I believe Bible should be a course in school, but that will never happen in the US.I believe there are a lot of things taught in a science classroom that should be taught in philosophy class.So in fact this is not about Evolution verses Creation but creationism as held by ID'ers.So I am still dumfounded about what an Articulate Informed Creationist is:Articulate=??????Informed=????????Creationist=?????Please clarify.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Maybe where you are from but my brother is over all studies in a county in Fla. He is a born again child of the King and would love to have Bible taught in his schools but is not allowed to because of separation of church and state.As far as my many ???????? marks I have no idea what Percy is looking for. Nor do I have any idea what His definition of the words questioned are.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I have read many of IAJ's posts and I think he puts down what he believes. I have no problem reading and understanding what he believes. It is that a lot of what he believes leaves a lot to be desired.
As far as articulate=: As I said I have no problem understanding what he believes.
He is definitely not at a loss for words.
He has a hard time staying on topic. But I had that problem in the beginning and still do every now and then when prodded just right.He definitely has an opinion and don't mind stating it. As I said in another post makes no difference if I think his opinion wrong or not.While I am rambling on (doting old fool) There are some evolutionist on this site that on some of their post instead of hitting the submit reply button should hit the back button instead. They make snide remarks to cut down the poster they are replying to. If I remember my psychology
that is just a way of making oneself feel important. It does nothing for the debate and only makes the person look stupid to the lurkers. In other words it is a bad example for EvC. rant over.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

He seems to be pretty well informed on what he believes.It is just that if what he believes is the truth then the rest of us are a bunch of intellectual dwarfs.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I think herein I see one of the biggest problem we have here at EvC.Everyone here is lumping everybody that believes in creation by God into the same camp with ID/ers, and YEC'ers.I understand they have an agenda but it is their agenda not mine. Until the Kansas court case I did not know about either of these 2 groups, in fact I did not know about YEC's until I came here to EvC.I had been overseas as a missionary since 1989 and when you are doing your job you do not have much time to keep up with what is going on in the world.I notice that not only about creation but about religion in general.
Everyone is basically lumped into one group.There are many different religions with a wide difference in beliefs.Then all Christians are lumped into one group.Last accounts I had there was over 1200 different denominations in the United States.That means there are over 1200 different belief systems.There are those who teach salvation by grace and grace alone. I happen to be in this group.There are those who teach salvation by works.There are those who teach salvation by grace + works.And then there are those who teach anything you want to hear.If you can't find one that suits your belief system start your own. Many did.Now if the group that I belong to is right all the others are wrong, as we have a totally different belief system.On the other hand if they are right then the group I belong to is in big trouble.So it is not fair to lump everyone into the same group, as we believe and practice different things.Buzz, I am still confused.I believe the universe to be eternal in some form.
I believe that somewhere in the past God took the elements necessary from Himself and created this beautiful, magnificent universe we are privileged to live in.I know this makes me an eternalist.
But I also believe in creation, does this make me a creationist?
I think Biblical creation should be taught in the Church, not in a science class.
If the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ would do the job it was given in the great commission there would be no problem. First thing it would have to do is get out of the entertainment business.There are many things taught as fact in science class rooms that do not belong there any more than Biblical creation.I think fact should be taught in science classes. Leave notions, presumptions, and I believes outside, or in the philosophy class.I am really having a hard time with all this new information I have been reading in the past 4+ months. We talk about creation and evolution in the same breath but they are 2 different things. That is like comparing apples to oranges.Creation=orgin of the universe, and origin of all life.Evolution=an attempt to explain how the change in life forms from single cell to present day life forms took place.If we are to compare Creation to anything it has to be singularity. and abiogenesis.Creation=origin of the universe, and origin of all life.
Singularity=origin of universe.
Abiogenesis=origin of life.Creation=believed by faith, results are seen in the universe and living life forms.Singularity=believed by faith, results are seen in the universe.
Abiogenesis=believed by a whole lot of faith, results seen in life forms.So why do I keep reading posts with creation and evolution talked about as though they are the same thing?As I proof read this post I come to think maybe I am wrong about creation in the science class room.If singularity and abiogenesis, or any of the string theories are taught in the science classroom all of these being faith based then creation probably should be given equal time, or the former should not be taught.So if creation is not science since it is faith based.
Singularity would not be science since it is faith based.
Abiogenesis would not be science since it is faith based.Maybe that bunch of creationist everyone has been talking about has a legitimate gripe, and are just barking up the wrong tree.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

But it is the only thing that matters.You did notice I said:I did not say scientific facts.I have found in dealing with people since 1965 as a pastor that what they believe is everything to them.I also learned I can not change anyone's views or beliefs.If someone is going to change their belief's be they believer or non believer it has to come from within their mind.I can only put forth information. I try to put it in a way that they can understand it. Then it is up to them to read it, digest it, and either believe it or reject it.If a person has an open inquisitive mind they can learn.If they have a closed mind it does not matter how much you present something and can prove it beyond a shadow of doubt they can not comprehend it, because their mind is made up already as to what they believe.So don't tell me what he believes does not matter in this case or any other case, it does matter.A person that is taught Atheism from birth will more than likely die an Atheist.A person taught God from birth will more than likely die a believer.A person that has been taught a bunch of garbage from birth will more than likely die believing that same garbage.I have seen this alluded to many times here on EvC about believers.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."