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Author Topic:   Mode of the Debate: Targeting Children
jar
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Message 3 of 45 (414461)
08-04-2007 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Doddy
08-02-2007 5:36 AM


The problem is not the ages, but that they lie to kids.
The problem is that the people use the tactic of direct misrepresentation of the facts, they lie to children.
A good example is the section of the video where Ken Ham is speaking. He shows slides of ape like creatures and asks the kids if their Grandfather and Grandmother looked like that.
Of course, the TOE does not say that any of our grandfathers or grandmothers were ape like creatures (although I did have this one cousin ...) yet Ken Ham implies just that.
The folk like Ken Ham KNOW that is not what Evolution says, but they continue to misrepresent the case, they Lie For Jesus.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 13 of 45 (414612)
08-05-2007 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Straggler
08-05-2007 6:55 AM


Creationist Conundrum is greater than that.
The first appeal is usually countered by peer and authority pressure, and by knowledge.
In the past such indoctrination was challenged by other kids, teachers and knowledge gained as one grows up.
That is actually what the Christian Conservatives are complaining about, what they call "A Spiritual War" or "An Attack on Christianity."
That is the "Secular Influence" they rail on about.
The problem they face is that in the past, truth and reality were winning out and the kids as they grew up and were exposed to other evidence, came to realize that what they had been taught were simply lies.
Their only possible response is the one they have taken, and that is to isolate the children and keep them from being exposed to the truth. This has led to the creation of literally tens of thousands of Avoidance Schools where the kids are sheltered, dozens of accreditation organizations as well as the US Home Schooling phenomena.
To give you an idea of the magnitude of this effort, here are a few facts.
American Association of Christian Schools writes:
We believe that this Statement of Faith is basic for Christian fellowship and that all born-again men and women who sincerely accept it and are separated from the world of apostasy and sin can, and should live together in peace, and that it is their Christian duty to promote harmony among the Believers.
Note the emphasis on "separated from the world of apostasy and sin" and that it has a goal of promoting harmony among the Believers.
The AACS has over 170,000 students and teachers and requires all to accept "We believe in creation, not evolution; that man was created by the direct act of God and in the image of God. "
In addition they will not allow membership to anyone or any organization that even accepts any other position. They say in their Statement of Faith:
We further believe in the Biblical doctrine of ecclesiastical separation, and therefore believe that churches and Christian schools should not be associated with, members of, or in accord with organizations or movements such as the World Council of Churches, the National Council of Churches, the Modern Charismatic Movement, or the Ecumenical Movement.
This is just one of the literally dozens of Accrediting Organizations that have sprung up over the last quarter century or so.
The goal is isolation, indoctrination and insulation.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 17 of 45 (414627)
08-05-2007 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Straggler
08-05-2007 1:32 PM


Re: Creationist Conundrum is greater than that.
The key point is that the movement is designed to extent beyond just children. As I pointed out in their own words, it extends to even shunning any others who might hold differing positions.
We believe that this Statement of Faith is basic for Christian fellowship and that all born-again men and women who sincerely accept it and are separated from the world of apostasy and sin can, and should live together in peace, and that it is their Christian duty to promote harmony among the Believers.
Note the emphasis on separation and that their duty is to promote harmony among the believers. There is no mention of harmony for all or any acceptance of any other point of view. While they might adopt the slogan "Teach the Controversy" as a temporary tactic, their goal is to reject anything that disagrees with their position.
Note also their absolute rejection of association with others.
We further believe in the Biblical doctrine of ecclesiastical separation, and therefore believe that churches and Christian schools should not be associated with, members of, or in accord with organizations or movements such as the World Council of Churches, the National Council of Churches, the Modern Charismatic Movement, or the Ecumenical Movement.
Their goal is simply to isolate the whole community.
Also remember that this is but one example of a vast movement in the US today.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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