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Doddy
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Message 1 of 45 (413979)
08-02-2007 5:36 AM


Answers in Genesis is going after the young. I know that religious folk have been ”teaching’ their children for millennia, so it’s not surprising to me. I know homeschooling, for reasons beyond me, is popular in the US, so of course it’s going to happen. That doesn’t stop it scaring me just like the indoctrination in Jesus Camp did. See these examples.
This is a youtube clip of AiG’s Ken Ham and Buddy Davis, from HBO’s Documentary ”Friends of God’.
And this one of their new books, entitled “It’s Designed to Do What It Does Do”:
And another of Ken's, titled “Dinosaurs of Eden: A Biblical Journey Through Time”.
They’re not the only ones. See Duane Gish’s “Dinosaurs by Design”
There are plenty of others, and this isn’t just a list of them. Just check a typical homeschooling site for materials.
Fortunately for me, I also found some books (not on a homeschooling site - that’s like checking an Islamic seafood store for prawns) with the opposing views:
As well as this beautiful series by Jennifer Morgan:
However, there was significantly less, for children at least, on this side of the fence (about 6-10 books, compared to 50-ish on the other side). Plus I don't know if there are any songs about it, or children's lectures on it (science classes at high school don't count, as that is way above where the creationists are aiming). I want to discuss a possible reason for this.
I think it might be that proponents of evolution are so against the indoctrinate of children on the other side (creationism) that they stay away from it themselves on principle. But I don’t think there is anything wrong with giving children the knowledge of the best that science has, as long as you also teach them how to think critically about it.
Perhaps the proponents are just too busy, or perhaps the science is considered too complicated. Or maybe this is normal for science, and instead it's a deliberate manoeuvre by the creationists (to 'save children from evilution'). I’m not sure what it is, so I started this thread.
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Doddy
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Message 8 of 45 (414590)
08-05-2007 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by arachnophilia
08-04-2007 9:47 PM


Re: Propoganda
arachnophilia writes:
kids learn about those guys from an early enough age, and it becomes harder and harder to indoctrinate them with religious pseudo-science creationism crap.
Wouldn't that mean that, if they are successful at getting to the children before science, then it will be even harder to convince those children that their creationists beliefs are in fact religious crap?
The same thing that happened to you could happen to the kids in that video, just the other way around.
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Doddy
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Message 30 of 45 (414731)
08-05-2007 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by arachnophilia
08-05-2007 7:24 PM


Re: Propoganda
arachnophilia writes:
BUT it is that first 'appeal' that the creationists in the video are aiming for.
How do we counter that?
education, i guess.
What are the chances of those children in that audience actually going to a real school at all, let alone one that teaches evolution.

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Doddy
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Message 38 of 45 (415087)
08-08-2007 4:06 AM
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08-06-2007 12:21 AM


Re: Propoganda
arachnophilia writes:
the "supports bush" and "creationist" and "home school" crowds are all very closely associated
Then seeing as education is out of the picture as a solution, what do you do? I mean, these kids will grow up as adults with the opinion that if evolution is true, we are monkeys and God is a liar. They will associate it with homosexuality, communism, genocide and racism. They won't listen to any reason or view any evidence without Ken Ham's 'Bible glasses'. It will be near impossible for them to see the light.
And, they'll vote.

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Doddy
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Message 42 of 45 (415246)
08-08-2007 10:38 PM
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Re: Propoganda
That's why I think, and I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this, that before you can vote, you have to fill out a general knowledge test. Your vote should be scaled based upon how well you do on that test. Get 100%, and you get a vote of 1. Get 50%, and you get a vote of 0.5.
No point allowing people to vote for a government because they like their policy on Iraq if they don't even know where Iraq is. Likewise for voting on a government's climate change policy if you don't even know what a greenhouse gas is, or on an economic policy if you don't even know what inflation is. It's not fair on those of us who do know these things to have our informed opinion count just as much as those with an uninformed opinion.

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Doddy
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Message 45 of 45 (415290)
08-09-2007 8:51 AM
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08-09-2007 3:22 AM


Re: Propoganda
Tazmanian Devil writes:
Has that godforsaken gay marriage ban that got passed a couple years ago in australia been struck down yet?
Nope, despite the UK changing their laws and the Australian Capital Territory moving to challenge the federal government, nothing has changed since 2004. Both gay marriage and civil unions are illegal here.

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