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Author Topic:   Is Bestiality Wrong?
Chiroptera
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Message 2 of 170 (414823)
08-06-2007 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
08-06-2007 2:36 PM


However I find it hard to reconcile this idea of immorally abusing non-consenting animals with the other (worse?) ways in which we regularly cause animals to suffer without ever considering either consent or morality.
I agree. If you accept causing animal suffering in other areas, then your qualms about bestiality might very well be based on personal feelings of disgust.
Let me ask a question: suppose that it could be shown that a particular animal enjoys sex with a human being. So now it's no longer a matter of suffering. Could you now accept bestiality in that case?

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 10 of 170 (414879)
08-06-2007 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by riVeRraT
08-06-2007 7:25 PM


Can you prove that bestiality would not ever cause a disease to be threatening to the human population, or be a threat to anyone?
Does he have to?

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 21 of 170 (414982)
08-07-2007 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by ikabod
08-07-2007 10:53 AM


i think a active working moral system has to be at a minimum the compromise the majority accepts .. which is why i cannot see beastiality becoming morally ok ...
Well, an active, working moral system is what it is -- it certainly isn't going to be determined by "compromise". A person is either going to feel that something is wrong or she isn't. I don't think a person's deep feelings about something is going to change because of a "compromise". The moral system of a society is going to be determined by a rather complex interaction between the personal beliefs and feelings of its members. In fact, it may be hard to determine in some cases just what the "moral system" of a society (as opposed to its legal system) allows as proper.
You may be talking about how a society determines what actions are strictly prohibited and what actions are allowed despite its morality -- but in this case we have to be careful that we aren't talking about different things under that same word "morality". The problem of equivocation and all that.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 22 of 170 (414983)
08-07-2007 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Straggler
08-07-2007 12:57 PM


Re: Yuck
Go away.

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Chiroptera
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Message 29 of 170 (415055)
08-07-2007 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Omnivorous
08-07-2007 11:48 PM


Re: Rat is right
Is there a risk of introducing a dangerous pathogen to our species through bestiality? Clearly, the answer is yes.
Why should we outlaw or prohibit an activity that might, perhaps, maybe introduce some plague into our society when we are allowing at this time an activity that we know have been and is a source of plagues? Because chicken nuggets are yummy but bestiality is icky?

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 31 of 170 (415061)
08-08-2007 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Omnivorous
08-07-2007 11:58 PM


Re: Rat is right
Life isn't risk-free, therefore we cannot legitimately manage risk as a society: is that about it?
I'm just curious about how one chooses which risks we are going to manage and which we accept as life not being risk-free. Spanish Influenza wiped out about 40 million people in about a year, small pox was a scourge for centuries, and you have already brought up SARS and Bird Flu. Yet plopping a steak on the grill is just part of the way life isn't risk-free, but a visit to the goat brothel presents a risk that needs to be managed.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 50 of 170 (415135)
08-08-2007 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Answers in Gene Simmons
08-08-2007 12:10 PM


Re: Won't eat certain foods?
Not that I really care one way or the other, bit it is an interesting point of notice.
It's also not on topic. But I'm mostly responding to mention that I think your handle is pretty good. (Also, I missed Jaderis' post the first time around, and so I'm grateful that you brought it to my attention.)

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 69 of 170 (415234)
08-08-2007 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Omnivorous
08-08-2007 7:40 PM


Re: Rat is right
I have asserted a rational, public health reason for any society to proscribe bestiality and supported it with factual material. You have merely dismissed it.
Sure. You also dismissed rational, public health reasons for prohibiting animal husbandry in general. In fact, you seemed quite indignant that such a comparison could be made, so indignant you make barely rational comments on sobriety laws and speed limits.
1918-1919. 40 million people dead.
Small pox. SARS. Bird flu. And epidemiologists who study this sort of thing are even more scared than global climatologists.
We have a rational, public health reasons to prohibit animal husbandry. Obviously there is a lot more going on here than rational concerns about public health.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 77 of 170 (415251)
08-08-2007 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Omnivorous
08-08-2007 10:33 PM


Re: Rat is right
Content deleted.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Didn't further the conversation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 79 of 170 (415253)
08-08-2007 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by anastasia
08-08-2007 11:25 PM


Re: Why is Bestiality Disgusting?
That's a good clue about morality. Some things you just feel in your gut.
Heh. That's pretty much what it comes down to, isn't it?

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 90 of 170 (415316)
08-09-2007 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by riVeRraT
08-09-2007 10:31 AM


Re: Rat is right
So again it comes down to, where do we get our morals from.
anastasia already told you:
quote:
That's a good clue about morality. Some things you just feel in your gut.
Aren't morals subjective anyway?
Pretty much.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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