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Topic: Evolution is random! Stop saying it isn't!
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 13 of 99 (415250)
08-08-2007 11:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 11 by RAZD
08-08-2007 5:48 PM
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
Evolution Is Dead! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljBP3OTRtp8 Since evolution is supposed to be a biological event it would seem clear to me that if Life can occur without evolution than evolution is not needed to explain any portion of life. Life consists of organisms that metabolize, manage waste and have the capability to reproduce itself. These functions occur without any evolution whatsoever and therefore certainly suggest that evolution is not neccessary or at all likely. Since all living things have these functions there would be no reason to believe they were not created. Edited by Bodhitharta, : No reason given.
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 17 of 99 (415346)
08-09-2007 3:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Percy
08-09-2007 11:10 AM
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
I thought this was on topic, the reason is because I am saying that evolution is random and yet life is not random.
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 20 of 99 (415378)
08-09-2007 8:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Percy
08-09-2007 4:55 PM
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
Okay, I will just talk about the randomness in this thread. The ToE is about random mutations resulting in predictable outcomes of information usually by the so-called means of "natural selection". Natural selection has been a term greatly misused as it can only genuinely mean Biological viability/fitness. Nature doesn't actually "select" anything. Therefore if the ToE states that randomness tempered by NS is the biological outcome it makes no sense in several ways especially in terms of sexual reproduction. There is a movement now as to where you get people saying "well, it's not actually random because of natural selection" but what does that have to do with mutations being random? the fact is, If the mutations are random then the biological viability/fitness would also be random.
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 22 of 99 (415382)
08-09-2007 8:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by iceage
08-09-2007 8:36 PM
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
Nature doesn't process anything! It is quite humorous for you to give nature attributes.
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
So what about "Random" positive mutations?
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 26 of 99 (415387)
08-09-2007 9:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by iceage
08-09-2007 9:01 PM
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
So "nature" is intending to do these things?
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 29 of 99 (415438)
08-10-2007 4:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by iceage
08-09-2007 9:22 PM
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
How do "natural" processess "filter" anything? Are these processess designed to filter?
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 30 of 99 (415439)
08-10-2007 4:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by RAZD
08-09-2007 11:07 PM
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Re: random mutation and non-random selection
So is the male elk acting with intention? BTW, Are you saying that in an accident or terrorist attack "natural selection" is taking place?
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Bodhitharta
Member (Idle past 6086 days) Posts: 10 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Joined: 08-08-2007
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Message 33 of 99 (415451)
08-10-2007 6:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Doddy
08-10-2007 6:35 AM
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Re: random selection and a model of evolution
I think basic DNA goes against any truly randomness as a rule because the instructions of DNA is very predictable.
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