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nator
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Message 121 of 160 (415971)
08-13-2007 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by macaroniandcheese
08-11-2007 11:26 PM


Re: Hillary Clinton
I'm not a particular supporter of Sen. Clinton, either.
It's just that Riverrat is talking a lot of bullshit about her.

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nator
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Message 122 of 160 (415972)
08-13-2007 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by riVeRraT
08-13-2007 5:48 AM


Re: Hillary Clinton
quote:
And just what do you think that survey would be used for?
Parental guidelines?
Maybe to find out if there really is a bad effect on infants or if there isn't anything to be concerned with?
Oh, and are you going to provide evidence that Senator Clinton is a madam in a brothel, or heads an international prostitution cartel, or similar?
Remember, you claimed that she was participating in international prostitution.
Now it is time for you to support that claim or retract it.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 123 of 160 (416006)
08-13-2007 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by nator
08-13-2007 7:33 AM


Re: Hillary Clinton
generally.
i really don't know what to do this election. i had grand designs... and now they both support the patriot act. i might have to vote for gravel.

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leviethan
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Message 124 of 160 (416015)
08-13-2007 11:24 AM


Two statements by President Bush on TV (I watched them both):
A few days after the 9/11/2001 attacks:
"We will not rest until all those responsible for the 9/11 attacks are captured or killed"
In late 2004:
"We don't know where Osama Bin Laden is. We don't care where Osama Bin Laden is. Osama Bin Laden is not a top priority"

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riVeRraT
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Message 125 of 160 (416028)
08-13-2007 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by nator
08-13-2007 7:41 AM


Re: Hillary Clinton
Oh, and are you going to provide evidence that Senator Clinton is a madam in a brothel, or heads an international prostitution cartel, or similar?
Why should I? I didn't make that accusation, you did.

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nator
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Message 126 of 160 (416039)
08-13-2007 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by riVeRraT
08-13-2007 12:44 PM


Re: Hillary Clinton
Oh, and are you going to provide evidence that Senator Clinton is a madam in a brothel, or heads an international prostitution cartel, or similar?
quote:
Why should I? I didn't make that accusation, you did.
I asked you to provide evidence that Senator Clinton was personally involved in international prostitution.
You said that it had "already been done".
Please link to the post where you provided evidence to that effect or retract your claim that you have indeed shown that Clinton is directly involved in international prostitution.

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Taz
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Message 127 of 160 (416040)
08-13-2007 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by leviethan
08-13-2007 11:24 AM


What's your point?

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Taz
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Message 128 of 160 (416044)
08-13-2007 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by nator
08-11-2007 9:31 PM


schraf writes:
someone else writes:
So apparently, nobody has ever heard of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?
Sure, I've heard of them.
How are they hypocrites, exactly?
I don't have much to say about Sharpton, but the next time I see Jesse Jackson on tv I will officially scream my head off.
For years, the guy preached about family values and all of that. Then we found out that he had a whole second family. Ok, I thought, since that wasn't really my business. What's my business is I can't watch any political news without seeing his face. It's like he has some kind of fetish for cameras...
Isn't it time he stop being THE VOICE of our beloved African American population?

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nator
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Message 129 of 160 (416049)
08-13-2007 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Taz
08-13-2007 1:58 PM


OK, I'll accept that is a hypocrite on the liberal side.
Sorry, I can't share your pain with seeing him on TV. I got rid of TV over a year ago and it has been wonderful.

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Taz
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Message 130 of 160 (416079)
08-13-2007 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by nator
08-13-2007 2:27 PM


Well, I'm not much on tv either. I mostly get my news from the radio. But the few times that I turn on the tv to see some news, I always seem to see him on there. What are the chances that he only shows up on tv only a few times a year and it just happens that those few times are also the times I turn on the tv?
OK, I'll accept that is a hypocrite on the liberal side.
Are you just agreeing with me because I'm on the liberal side? You seem to be very gungho on other cases of supposed liberal hypocrisy.

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riVeRraT
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Message 131 of 160 (416085)
08-13-2007 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by nator
08-13-2007 1:38 PM


Re: Hillary Clinton
I asked you to provide evidence that Senator Clinton was personally involved in international prostitution.
No, you didn't the second time, you asked:
Oh, and are you going to provide evidence that Senator Clinton is a madam in a brothel, or heads an international prostitution cartel, or similar?
Two different things.

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nator
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Message 132 of 160 (416115)
08-13-2007 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Taz
08-13-2007 5:48 PM


quote:
Are you just agreeing with me because I'm on the liberal side? You seem to be very gungho on other cases of supposed liberal hypocrisy.
I wasn't agreeing with you, really, but with Answers in Gene Simmons.
But I was thinking...Does Jesse Jackson actually harp on about the sanctity of marriage and family values and stuff, and condemn adulterers specifically, or do you assume that he does becasue he's a preacher? I really don't know because I haven't paid him any attention in years.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 133 of 160 (416116)
08-13-2007 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by riVeRraT
08-13-2007 6:21 PM


Re: Hillary Clinton
OK, let me state it in the way you like it, since you insist upon trying to weasel about as much as possible to avoid correcting yourself.
I asked you to provide evidence that Senator Clinton was personally involved in international prostitution.
You said that it had already been done.
Please provide evidence that Clinton is personally involved in international prostitution or retract the claim.

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Taz
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Message 134 of 160 (416120)
08-14-2007 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by nator
08-13-2007 11:04 PM


Schraf writes:
But I was thinking...Does Jesse Jackson actually harp on about the sanctity of marriage and family values and stuff, and condemn adulterers specifically, or do you assume that he does becasue he's a preacher?
Well, gee, in order to be a "reverend", one has to show that he's a moral leader, yes?
One of the things that "we" pounded Haggard on was that he only "confessed" after the facts came into light.
Personally, I don't think there's any problem with either one of them, considering the fact that it's really their private lives we're talking about. However, since we're talking about hypocrits, I'd have to say that trying to preach this supposed god of morals and then turn around and have extramarrital affairs would make one a hypocrit, yes?
One doesn't need to condemn outright adulterers and then commit adultery to be a hypocrit. Unless Jesse Jackson is preaching some kind of weird-ass christian form of marriage, the fact that he's a preacher that has a whole second family makes him a hypocrit.

Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 135 of 160 (416147)
08-14-2007 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by nator
08-13-2007 11:09 PM


Re: Hillary Clinton
If Hillary takes money to support her own agenda, from people who are well known to be involved in those things, doesn't that make her part of it?

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