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Author Topic:   Does the Errancy of Fundamentalism Disprove the God of the Bible?
Chiroptera
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Message 111 of 154 (416670)
08-17-2007 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Refpunk
08-17-2007 9:48 AM


But as you admitted, the bible isn't understandable.
He admitted no such thing, at least not in the OP to which you are replying.
But more to the point: if the Bible is not understandable, then it is useless as a guide to the divine, to morality, or to anything. That is what "not understandable" means.
If the Bible is alleged to be a guide, then it must be understandable, hence potentially refutable.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 115 of 154 (416710)
08-17-2007 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Refpunk
08-17-2007 10:09 AM


The bible is as understandable to Christians....
But this is false, isn't it? Different Christians have very different understandings of the Bible. The Catholics' understanding is very different from the Lutherans', Anglicans' understanding of the Bible is very different from that of Baptists, Mormons have a different understand than the Methodists, and so forth.
I suppose that one can claim that only one particular Christian sect has a "true" understanding of the Bible, but what would make this different than any other cult? Every cult claims that their understanding of their scriptures is the true understanding -- in fact, that is one of the signs of being a cult.
The difference with Einstein is that anyone can do the mathematics and anyone can check the results of the mathematics with actual observations. So, whether one has the "same understanding" of General Relativity as Einstein is really beside the point -- the Theory of Relativity makes definite statements about what we should actually see in the real world, regardless of what one's "understanding" is.
This is very different than what is being claimed here. Different Christian (and barely Christian) denominations have very different ideas of what the real world is going to look like based on their different understandings. Traditional Baptists see a world that is degenerating, filled with sinners who have the free will to choose to become Christians, Reformed Christians don't see any free will whatsoever, and Anglicans tend to have a more optimistic view of human progress.
So, not only is Christianity very different than General Relativity, but this claim that "the Bible is understandable to Christians" sounds more like a cult-like cop-out than a serious attempt to acknowledge theological difficulties.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Chiroptera
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Message 129 of 154 (416987)
08-18-2007 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Refpunk
08-18-2007 10:19 PM


...when there've been so many accounts by ancient peoples all over the world as to its veracity?
Because there aren't "so many accounts" that verify an old dude building a big boat and loading all the animals into it to escape a big flood that covered the tallest mountains.
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Why try to refute the flood story when the sedimentary rock layers all over the world prove that theworld was at one time covered in water?
Sure, the whole world was covered with water. Different places at different times.
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Why try to refute the flood story when bones of hippos and sea animals have been found in places like Nebraska?
Why would hippos in Nebraska be evidence of a flood? Hippos supposedly drowned during the flood wherever they were living. If there were hippos in Nebraska, then it is because they were living in Nebraska, flood or no flood. You're not thinking very deeply about this.
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The answer is simple; to try to make God go away.
No, because that's what the evidence indicates.
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The only problem with that, is that one has to invent even more bizarre and impossible stories such as the notion ....
No, there is no need to invent anything. There was no single global flood within the past few thousand years. That is what the evidence indicates. Period. Nothing else is relevant to this.

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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