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ringo

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Message 7 of 62 (414276)
08-03-2007 5:55 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Dragoness
08-03-2007 3:08 PM

What do you tell her about Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy?

I told her to ask when shes older

I'd say it's best to tell them when they ask.

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Message 40 of 62 (416740)
08-17-2007 3:25 PM

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08-17-2007 2:42 PM

Re: Update

Dragoness writes:

I think its constantly being made to feel stupid for not having the same education.

Nobody can "make" you feel anything. When we feel inadequte in some way, that feeling comes from inside, not outside. Often we get upset when people help us recognize those feelings.

No one wants to stick around where people belittle them for not being "smart enough" to teach their own kids.

I don't believe for a split second that I'm smart enough to teach my own kids - any more than I'm smart enough to take out their tonsils. My job isn't to teach them. It's to make them eager to learn and to help them find a place to learn.

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Message 43 of 62 (416751)
08-17-2007 4:32 PM

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08-17-2007 4:07 PM

Re: Update

EighteenDelta writes:

Were your child to come to you with a question, are you seriously suggesting you would tell them "I'm not smart enough, wait til you're in school and ask a teacher"?

Nope. We go to the library and we ask the librarian for (at least) two books: one children's book so she can read it for herself and one adult book so I can (hopefully) stay one step ahead of her. Then, by all means, it's "ask your teacher".

As I said, I would no more presume to teach my child about science on my own than I would presume to remove her tonsils on my own. The average parent is definitely not qualified to teach their own kids. We're only qualified to aim them in the right direction.

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Message 45 of 62 (416758)
08-17-2007 5:10 PM

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08-17-2007 4:50 PM

Re: Update

EighteenDelta writes:

One does not require classes on pedagogy, nor a degree for that matter, to pass on the information they have.

I'm talking about information I don't have. Why would I go to the library for information I already had?

You may continue to not teach your child, but I would ask you not to discourage other who more wisely wish to be involved with their children's education.

I'm certainly not discouraging people from being involved in their children's education. I'm discouraging people from going too far on their own.

Both to ensure that any problems are addressed early, such as learning disabilities...

We need professionals to assess those things. Too may learning disabilities get swept under the rug because know-it-all parents insist, "There's nothing wrong with MY child."

... and to know what your children are being taught, such as the case of Kitzmiller v. Dover school district.

Of course we need to know what our children are being taught. I'm saying that we shouldn't pretend we can do the teaching.

"oh here's a book" although a great supplement is the quickest way to discourage your child from ever asking questions.

You're not paying attention. The books are in response to questions (that you claim are being discouraged). The books are an extension of what little I can tell them. The books are a bridge to what their teachers can tell them. The books encourage them to find things out for themselves.

Don't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that people don't care about their children's education just because they don't try to do it all by themselves.

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ringo

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Message 48 of 62 (416767)
08-17-2007 6:58 PM

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08-17-2007 6:40 PM

Re: Update

EighteenDelta writes:

You're suggesting that a 5 year old will learn from a book something you are not knowledgable enough to explain to them?

Of course. Do you think I know everything in every book for 5-year-olds?

Who is to determine what's 'too far'?

Everybody has to try to understand their own limitations.

Based on what you think you know or don't know?

Based on what they know and don't know. Everybody comes to a point where they don't know. It's important to be able to admit to themselves that they don't know, that somebody else knows better.

I should hope the average parent would be capable of knowing a subject at the level of up to a 12 YO.

I doubt if one parent in a hundred could teach science to a twelve-year-old.

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Message 56 of 62 (416784)
08-17-2007 8:02 PM

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08-17-2007 7:50 PM

Re: Update

Dragoness writes:

Anytime anyone IMO takes a stab at my parenting in ANY way I will react.

You're welcome to react. Expect people to react back.

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