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Author Topic:   Does the Errancy of Fundamentalism Disprove the God of the Bible?
Refpunk
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Message 110 of 154 (416664)
08-17-2007 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DeclinetoState
01-24-2006 8:22 PM


One can't refute what he doesn't understand. So no one can claim the bible is errant until he first understands everything in the bible.
But as you admitted, the bible isn't understandable. Therefore it can't be refuted any more than one can claim to refute Einstein while at the same time claiming that Einstien didn't exist and/or that he doesn't undertand Einstein's theories.

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Refpunk
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Message 112 of 154 (416671)
08-17-2007 10:06 AM
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08-17-2007 10:01 AM


(Quote)The Bible is neither error-free, unambiguously clear,(Quote)
Are you claiming that the OP said that the bible is very clear, which would then be the oppositie of his quote above?

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Refpunk
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Message 113 of 154 (416676)
08-17-2007 10:09 AM
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08-17-2007 10:01 AM


The bible is as understandable to Christians as Einstein's theories are to people who understand math and physics.
Edited by Refpunk, : No reason given.

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Refpunk
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Message 116 of 154 (416739)
08-17-2007 3:21 PM
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08-17-2007 12:24 PM


So then I can claim that Einstein's theories are wrong and also claim that Einstein didn't exist and claim that I don't understand math and physics and you would believe me. Is that correct? If so, then Einstein's theories are wrong because I say so. So that makes me right.
Edited by Refpunk, : No reason given.

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Refpunk
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Message 120 of 154 (416879)
08-18-2007 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by ringo
08-17-2007 3:54 PM


You assumption is based on the claim that one species came from another. But since evolutionists ignore the fact that most species have to have the following characteristics in order to survive in the world that God created, then they leap to the erroneous and impossible conclusion that one species bred another species which is IMPOSSIBLE as anyone who udnerstands the birds and the bees knows. So most species have to have:
1)A heart
2)lungs
3)Some form of digestive system
4)A brain
5)A circulatory system
6) A nervous system
7) An endocrine system
8) 4 limbs
9) 2 eyes, 2 ears, a nose and a mouth
10) A reproductive system
And many, many, other similar characteristics, then their DNA is going to be much more similar than different. In fact, all one has to udnerstand is the reproductive system to see how impossible it is for one species to breed another species. Then they won't make the wrong conclusion about the similarities between animals and humans.
And more importantly, there are no historic accounts of ancient peoples who talk about their ancestors being apes ANYWHERE in the world. But there are accounts of over 300 cultures describing a global flood where only one family lived.
So claiming that the genes of animals being passed down exculdes the possibility of a flood is as ludicrous as claiming that there couldn't have been a flood since King Kong couldn't have then passed his genes along to my neighbor.

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Refpunk
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Message 123 of 154 (416898)
08-18-2007 11:55 AM
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08-18-2007 11:21 AM


All one has to do is understand the birds and the bees in order to know that humans pass along human genes, monkeys pass along monkey genes, giraffes passs along giraffe genes, to their offspring and on and on. So I suggest you study elementary biology to get an understanding of how the REproduction system in each species works. Then we can talk.
Edited by Refpunk, : No reason given.

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Refpunk
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Message 125 of 154 (416943)
08-18-2007 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by ringo
08-18-2007 12:17 PM


Since humans are fallible and God isn't, then the fact that the bible is without error proves that God exists. But as the bible tells us and atheists prove, one cannot believe in God or believe the bible without the indwelling Holy Spirit. So unbelievers are left having to contradict themselves to claim that God doesn't exist.
They are also left with having to go round and round in circles in their minds & always end up back where they started from with the statement; "Prove that God exists."
So atheists can never move on from that statement because most of them don't want to. But we Christians have moved on because we know that all the evidence leads to God's existence and none leads away from it. So we can now know the answers to:
1) God's plan and purpose for humanity
2) How when and why God created the universe
3) What sin is
4) Why sin is evil and will be punished
5) Who God will punish and why
6) The solution to sin
7) What happens after we die.

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Refpunk
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Message 127 of 154 (416980)
08-18-2007 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by ringo
08-18-2007 11:21 AM


One can't refute something unless his refutation is true. So why try to refute the flood story, especially when there've been so many accounts by ancient peoples all over the world as to its veracity? Why try to refute the flood story when the sedimentary rock layers all over the world prove that theworld was at one time covered in water? Why try to refute the flood story when bones of hippos and sea animals have been found in places like Nebraska? The answer is simple; to try to make God go away.
The only problem with that, is that one has to invent even more bizarre and impossible stories such as the notion that monkeys once bred human descendants, or that humans came from volcanic debris or from Martians, or there was once a global tsunami (as I heard one scientist claim of the Science Discovery Channel) to deny God. But to their chagrin, all those false stories can never make God go away. All it does is make the story-tellers look foolish in trying to do so.

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