Faith and belief

Slow down on the red bull dameeva!Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:1I am unsure of faith manifesting, that might take away the meaning...However, I believe that God will take care of me by providing opportunities to pay my bills as I am self employed. My friends and family still can't believe I'm not homeless. Nevertheless every month even when it looks impossible God pulls me through to victory.I can't make that up. Some people will disagree and claim I am the GOD of my own universe and that I perhaps subconsciously manifested it as a neccesity. However I never had this substance before my rebirth, I denied everything with arrogance and pride. Now I see a spiritual universe of which I can slightly comprehend.As with this new religion of spiritual humanism, it will work...for a season. It is sinful to worship idols, that includes yourself.There are many examples of people manifesting things in their lives that would seem impossible to the skeptics but it can be done. Whatever you want you can have. The bible even tells us that.Abraham-Hicks Publications - Law of Attraction Official Site
James Arthur Ray
http://www.15minutemiracle.com/home.htmlbe careful what you wish for...

My sentiments exactly. Whoa. I think it's a bit dodgy discussing faith, belief and god as one subject at the moment. I think it would be great if we could reach a common understanding of faith and belief, without needing it to be in god. Just faith and belief as aspects of humanity that we all possess.

Depends what God is. How do we know that? I thought crucifixion was no longer legal? If you are waiting for humans to create this God, good luck. I don't. 'All-powerful' does not exclude these qualities. Only you don't realize that 'creating our own reality' is not a new concept. So by creatnig a better God, we will become better people? Maybe you see God as another human ideal like love or peace, rather than a being who possibly embodies our ideals?

Your reply appears to me as cynical and dismissive. You do not discuss any point I make. You take things out of context and put words in my mouth. All I see are comments from a narrow view point, void of logic that aren't worth debating. Have you nothing interesting to say? Ah well, whatever makes you happy. God luck to you too.

I still don't get your point! Have you got one?

Your projecting yourself onto Anastasia here, and that was my point there...Since you have the luxury of creating your own reality, you can say anything.It must be wonderful having all spiritual riches at your disposal. What a cornucopia of splendor you are adorned with; pearls galore!I didn't know who I was speaking to. Who am I to ask you to give up such power, when you can commerce in the souls of men as well by selling them your wears.You have so much, and you give without pause to reflect.You are rich Dameeva. Rich in spirits.What can I say?Edited by Rob, : No reason given.Edited by Rob, : No reason given.Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

You are so close to insight.So near, and yet so far ...

Rob: Dr. A: There's a problem with your analysis...I'm supposedly the narrow minded one here remember? So I've cast off a great deal of my options and wealth.

Ah Rob, so you do mock me but perhaps it is not your intention, or even if you are aware that you do so.I understand what you are saying. I understand the wheel, the spokes, the death to extremists, the non-worshipping, the god of the bible. I don't dispute a word you say but I don't know why you feel the need to defend your position and dispute mine without question. Everything you said had no connection to my proposal. A different subject entirely.My intention was purely to open a new line of enquiry, not to discuss if we create our life experiences but how? The only testing ground for this is with the observing of oneself.I do believe there is only one way to enlightenment (for want of a better word) or god and that is 'your own' way. Although our paths radically differ, we have one thing in common and that is our humanity. To see another on a different path to your own and fully understand it, is to take a leap forward for humanity.For some unknown reason, I chose the road less travelled. The one wise men fear to tread. If I had been wise I would not have gone there. I would have taken the pills and lived a life of quiet desparation instead. I fought long and hard and suffered in the depths of despair to come through to the other side and I don't appreciate you taking the piss. ok

Dameeva: Well this is the heart of the dillemma Dameeva. By choosing 'one way', you are excluding 'the way' of others. It's inevitable.We all do that, so I am not offended by it. I mentioned it so that you would know that you are doing it and have not escaped it.You see, I believe that my morals are universal, and apply to you as well as to me.

Reality is under no obligation to conform to anyone's faith or belief.Bite into a big biscuit packed with horseradish, and grow wise.___

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Only 'one way' is from a huge choice but the decision is the for the individual. The path each of us choose is the only way for us, even if that means changing religions or how we percieve god. No matter what that path entails it will be unique.This is how I perceive it to be, whether or not we hold the same beliefs and follow the same traditions , it will still be unique.
I found every group or religion or movement each had some form of exclusivity attached, be it in a very subtle form.What have morals got to do with faith and belief in god? Do I have to believe in the same god as you and then I will have good moral standards? Is that not exclusivity?

Who said anything about obligation? It is the NATURE of change. How else do you think we got into this mess?
I would eat the biscuit if I was you.

That's why a lot of us who don't share your beliefs think its important to not allow others to force their beliefs on us. These are the same people who ask why I care about religion so much if I don't believe in god? I think that quote speaks volumes to answer that question.

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Idiots speak louder than words(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)