Chicken Bone

I took a chicken bone after dinner one night, and sat down to draw it. How did this come to be, I then asked myself? How did this bone form itself from a few cells? How did it turn into a specific shape, a specific size, and for a specific purpose. As I reflect on this simple fact I am just astounded.As I skimmed these forums, I saw a number of people who are either extremely arrogant, or who posses a knowledge of the world which is far beyond my comprehension.So too you 'smart' guys I ask, how does this happen? How does a cell turn into a bone? I am speaking of development from conception, rather than evolution.If the answer to this question cannot be given, than it seems to me that science should spent more time trying the understand the marvels around us, and less time guessing where it came from.Edited by Wonderly2, : No reason given.

Would this topic come down to the question "How are bones formed?"Adminnemooseus"We're boned" - Bender

That is the question.

Wonderly2--welcome. Do you want this topic to be a science topic? If so, why can't you simply get information on google and from encyclopedias and dictionaries on how bones are made?If you want to ask the Faith/Belief people how God made the chicken from cells, keep in mind that they are not God (If God exists) and also do not know.Which direction do you want to take if this topic gets promoted? Science or Faith?

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Yes this is a science question.I ask it here, because it seems there are people here that are knowledgeable in this area."why can't you simply get information on google and from encyclopedias and dictionaries on how bones are made?"I have, but have not found a good enough explanation. For example, this is what I find in an encyclopedia when I look for my answer:1. Development of ossification center
2. Calcification
3. Formation of trabeculae
4. Development of periosteumThese things really do not say anything. How does "periosteum" "develope"? How does "trabeculae" form?I just have not been able to find these answers.

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Genesis Chapter 1 verse 25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.It really is that simple. Random natural processes can't adequately explain this.Here's a start
Dinosaur Adventure Land
http://www.trueorigin.org/If you go to
TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversyyou'll be indoctrinated into the world view religion of Humanism. If you get into Creationism, you'll have some hope.Basic tenants of the debate as a whole: Pick a side, Light or Dark, Truth or Lies, Fun-now or Fun-later, etc, no one really "knows".Please choose wisely. Weigh both sides, I would start with creationism so you'll be prepared for the rhetoric of humanism, as humanists have no standards of morality besides what they imagine in their heads. It's well runs deep and fantastical.

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Random natural processes can't adequately explain this.

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What about random mutations selected by the environment?Why do creationists ignore selection all the time?

I don't ignore mutations. I just have beef with the "selection" process.Doesn't selecting something infer intelligence? What is selecting what?
If mutations were random then there would be no need for a selection process. Mutations in my theory come from a sinful nature coupled with close relationships like intermarriage. Why does evolution always overlook the obvious design?

You mean how does the first cell after conception develop into bones and other organs in the adult animal?The subject is called "developmental biology", and it can be pretty complicated at times.

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I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

Wonderly2, in your case I'd recommend doing what vash suggested.

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I don't ignore mutations. I just have beef with the "selection" process.
Doesn't selecting something infer intelligence?

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Not at all.

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What is selecting what?

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The environmental conditions into which an organism is born consists of selective pressures that act upon those organisms. For example, in a cold environment, an individual born with a slightly thicker undercoat is likely to reproduce more successfully than other individuals in that population with a thinner undercoat. If more of the thicher coated individuals survive to also reproduce, then a thicker coat tends to spread throughout the population. The thinner coats will become less numerous. And so on.By the way, the thin coat can become an advantage if the environment becomes warmer, so the entire process can, and has been observed to go the other way if the environmental pressures push it thus.

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If mutations were random then there would be no need for a selection process.

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Huh? This doesn't make any sense to me.

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Mutations in my theory come from a sinful nature coupled with close relationships like intermarriage.

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Everyone on the planet is born with at least several mutations.I also think you believe that mutations are always detrimental. Of course, they are not. Most mutations are neutral, as in they don't affect reproductive success. Some are detrimental, and most of those get weeded out of the population, obviously. A few are beneficial, and those spread throughout the population.It seems to me that you don't really understand much about what Biologists, rather than anti-science religious people, consider the ToE to actually be.Furthermore, if you think the ToE is bunk, then what do you think of the hundreds of thousands of Biologists and other scientists over the last 150 or so years who have used the ToE as the foundational theory of their fields?Are they, to a person, incompetent scientists? Deluded? Engaged in a protracted, elaborate conspiracy? Complete dunderheads?I'd like to get your perspective on this issue, but not here, as it would be off topic. Happily, there is an existing thread that deals with this very thing
here. See you there!

yea sorry guys, I did not explain correctly. I am talking about "developmental biology" Or how a bone forms from birth.Chiroptera, do you understand it?Does science fully understand it? I have found talk about different stages, however nothing which actually explains what is happening, just the results at certain intervals.

post removed, as the question was answered above ^Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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A very quick google found this online developmental biology textbook.You might want to take a look at that text and try to refine your question, e.g. did you mean from birth or from conception?And as for your OP ... Why don't you dial back the snark and take a look at this.You'll notice that there are several fields of study: protein evolution, biochemistry, genetics, evolutionary biology, molecular biology. To answer your question, one would need more than a passing familiarity with each of these disciplines.It's no surprise that an encyclopedia couldn't answer all of your questions.Have you done any other research?Edited by molbiogirl, : typo and more info