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Dr Adequate
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Message 25 of 212 (418446)
08-28-2007 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Ihategod
08-27-2007 10:10 AM


Fine by me. We call "unobservable changes in populations that occur outside an observed time frame" -speculations or fantasy.
Ah, you're going for the ol' "We can't know anything about the past without being there" dodge.
You're wrong. Changes in populations which are well-evidenced by the facts available to us are neither speculation nor fantasy, whether they occur in the present or occurred in the past.
---
Let's post this again, it's more or less a complete summary of the entire EvC debate.
Evolutionist: This man has been shot.
Creationist: How do you know? You weren't there.
Evolutionist: He has a bullet wound in his skull, he has a bullet in his brain, he has scorch marks consistent with gunpowder on his forehead, here's CCTV footage of someone shooting him, there's a strong smell of gunpowder in the air, and look, here's a smoking gun.
Creationist: That's unscientific! It's impossible to know about the past! Your belief that he's been shot is a religion! Waaah!
Evolutionist: If you ever get called for jury service, please recuse yourself on the grounds of idiocy.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 38 of 212 (418620)
08-29-2007 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Hyroglyphx
08-29-2007 12:11 AM


Re: The what?
The fossil record is inept in answering these questions because we do not see any clear examples of transitional forms. Indeed, this has long been the problem for evolutionists.
But this is, y'know, a huge great enormous honking lie, isn't it?
The second tier is with the fact that evolution cannot be duplicated in a lab.
Yes, but that is a great huge lie with, like, great big neon lights all over it saying "THIS IS A LIE" in capital letters, isn't it?
Therefore, I scarcely see how dissenting objections to evolution should be viewed with such scathing anger.
Because these "dissenting objections" are a bunch of lies, which deserve "scathing anger".
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Dr Adequate
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Message 71 of 212 (418776)
08-30-2007 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Ihategod
08-30-2007 12:17 AM


Ah, you're going for the ol' "We can't know anything about the past without being there" dodge.
You're wrong. Changes in populations which are well-evidenced by the facts available to us are neither speculation nor fantasy, whether they occur in the present or occurred in the past.
Not quite, I was more subtly attacking your foundational evidence for your religion. I knew I would have to spell it out...
You know nothing of my religion, which I have not discussed.
Even your little tirade about changes in populations doesn't mean anything, I could make up stories too. The real reason I made this post was to define evolution with no strings attached. evolution happens. Did I just say that???
I would like to say that and not have religious inference bias placed upon me. This would be nice.
I don't see how any of that was an answer to my post.
'Cos it wasn't.
You might want to look up the word "tirade", by the way.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 76 of 212 (418800)
08-30-2007 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Ihategod
08-30-2007 9:35 AM


Re: The question is WHY?
Hmm ... a post containing no facts.
Instead, you just babbled about an imaginary "philosophy" and an imaginary "religion" that you've invented in your head.
Ah yes, creationism.
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Message 100 of 212 (419026)
08-31-2007 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Ihategod
08-30-2007 11:28 PM


Re: Denial, Definitions and Reality
WRONG!!!! It has everything to do with it. You must understand that your belief in billions of years is a contested theory ...
Yes, we realise that creationists exist.
There are also people who "contest" the Holocaust, the Big Bang, the round earth, heliocentrism, and the fact that the law says that you have to pay income tax.
Anything can be "contested", all you need is a crank and a soapbox.
Life forming billions of years ago or reference to the fossil record is under deep skepticism.
By cranks who know damn all about science.
Thus tree rings, fossils and rock layers are objective, observable parts of reality.
This is subjective evidence. calling something blue, that is clearly red is a form of lying.
However, saying that there are tree rings, fossils, and rock layers is not a form of lying. It's a form of telling the exact literal truth.
Sheesh, how much reality can you deny?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 125 of 212 (419353)
09-02-2007 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Ihategod
09-02-2007 1:55 AM


Re: Denial, Definitions and Reality
Aren't you a moderator?
No.
Why are you OT?
I'm responding to your post.
And why are you presenting your opinion as fact?
I present the facts as facts because they are facts. When I write "There are also people who "contest" the Holocaust, the Big Bang, the round earth, heliocentrism, and the fact that the law says that you have to pay income tax" --- those are what we call "facts". As in true things that, y'know, correspond with reality.
By which I take it that you mean that your fantasy that I am a moderator corroborates your fantasies about the moderators.
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Message 135 of 212 (419594)
09-03-2007 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Fosdick
09-03-2007 1:25 PM


Re: So what is this evolution thing, anyway?
I have read Mary Jane West-Eberhard's entire "Developmental Plasticity and Evolution" (2003). She is a leading evo-devo-ist, and she argues for the role of "homoplasy" as an alternative to homology (genetic inheritance) for explaining evolution.
Yes. We know about convergent evolution.
But that is not the same as saying that "evolution can happen even without the inheritance of genetic traits".
The same criticism can be leveled at another evo-devo-ist, Simon Conway Morris ...
He's a paleontologist.
Is there any doubt who he has in mind for this barb?
No, but there might be considerable confusion as to what this has to do about "evolution without the inheritance of genetic traits".

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Dr Adequate
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Message 163 of 212 (419915)
09-05-2007 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Cold Foreign Object
09-04-2007 9:41 PM


Re: Post of the Month
While very few posts are perfect (as is seen in the fact that NJ concedes microevolution, which we know is false)
Where by "we", you can't even include your fellow-creationists.
this post is still excellent, especially the part where it says that the geological fossil record is not admitted to not support ToE as it was in the past - so true.
It is true that creationists don't admit that the fossil record does not support the ToE --- however, they did not do so in the past.
Evolutionists (ordinary ones) simply lie; published scholarship has always admitted that the fossil record shows no signs of the reason for being evidence (species transitioning).
Perhaps you could quote one evolutionist telling this lie. Or perhaps this is some crazy fantasy that you've made up in your head?
And perhaps you could tell us who you think produces published scholarship about the fossil record if not evolutionists, and why pointing out the bleedin' obvious constitutes an "admission"?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 167 of 212 (419969)
09-05-2007 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Cold Foreign Object
09-05-2007 6:07 PM


Re: back to the definition(s)
The point is that I have a source for my view: Harvard Professor Ernst Mayr says evolution IS NOT a change in gene frequencies ...
And he also says that it is, so which of him are you going to trust?
Or perhaps both statements would make more sense in context?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 191 of 212 (420393)
09-07-2007 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Cold Foreign Object
09-07-2007 4:52 PM


"Objective Persons"?
You keep mentioning these "objective persons" who agree with every self-serving wish-fulfillment fantasy that drifts into your head.
Who are they, and how do you find out their opinions?
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Message 207 of 212 (503892)
03-23-2009 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Sky-Writing
03-22-2009 9:43 AM


Re: Evolution is
Should be changed to "over time". Good scientific procedure requires that a process be reproducible and observable. However, in this case, the concept of "Evolution" generally extends well beyond the boundaries of good science.
Have you ever noticed how scientists disagree with you completely about what is or is not good science?
Have you ever pondered why it is that scientists disagree with you about science?
Something for you to think about, eh?

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