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Chiroptera
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Message 3 of 372 (411056)
07-18-2007 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Repzion
07-18-2007 2:59 PM


Hello, Rep, and welcome to EvC. I hope that you enjoy the discussions here.

And what a discussion we'll have!

Although the flood account is believable....

Well, actually it isn't. It might be if we were all living in the Middle East during the Bronze Age, when and where people believed that the sky was a solid dome holding back an immense amount of water.

But once we realized that the earth is a solid sphere in the midst of a vacuum, the flood story became rather implausible.

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But, you know, we don’t need to see the Flood with our own eyes to believe it happened. We have plenty of historical and geological evidence.

The second sentence is false, but I'm glad to see the first sentence. Most creationists say that we can't really know what happened in the past, and that we can interpret the evidence any way we want. I'm happy to see a creationist who does admit that we can learn a lot about the past, and even rule scenarios out, by examining the evidence that exists in the present.

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4. Mammoth Bodies Found in Siberia

Actually, the mammoth story isn't true. But the part I like is:

The best explanation is worldwide flood followed by devastating changes in the earth’s climate. Northern areas of the world, once able to sustain life, became arctic, freezing countless mammoths in time.

So, you are claiming that these mammoths were drowned in a global flood, buried under flood sediments, and then, after the water receded, they froze to death?

You might want to think this one through a little more.


Q: If science doesn't know where this comes from, then couldn't it be God's doing?

A: The only difference between that kind of thinking and the stereotype of the savage who thinks the Great White Hunter is a God because he doesn't know how the hunter's cigarette lighter works is that the savage has an excuse for his ignorance. -- jhuger


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Chiroptera
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Message 16 of 372 (411119)
07-19-2007 12:25 AM
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07-18-2007 10:11 PM


Hi, Rep.

Everyone else has already noted that one baby mammoth found in a remarkably well-preserved state is not the same thing as millions of mammoths suddenly frozen in a sudden change of climate.

So I will just repeat my previous question: weren't these mammoths supposed to have been drowned in a big flood and buried with all those dinosaurs before they had a chance to be frozen in the big post-flood climate change?


Q: If science doesn't know where this comes from, then couldn't it be God's doing?

A: The only difference between that kind of thinking and the stereotype of the savage who thinks the Great White Hunter is a God because he doesn't know how the hunter's cigarette lighter works is that the savage has an excuse for his ignorance. -- jhuger


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Message 43 of 372 (411226)
07-19-2007 2:56 PM
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07-19-2007 1:31 PM


Re: One little piece...
Anyways, explain uplift. I'd love to hear how fossils end up on mountians. In your point of view.

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words:

hese pictures were taken in the aftermath of an earthquake in Montana in 1959. Do you see how mountains might form if we have enough time?

These pictures were taken in the aftermath of an earthquake in Montana in 1959.


Q: If science doesn't know where this comes from, then couldn't it be God's doing?

A: The only difference between that kind of thinking and the stereotype of the savage who thinks the Great White Hunter is a God because he doesn't know how the hunter's cigarette lighter works is that the savage has an excuse for his ignorance. -- jhuger


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Chiroptera
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Message 133 of 372 (418275)
08-27-2007 10:14 AM
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07-18-2007 2:59 PM


Creationists will disagree with you.
But, you know, we don’t need to see the Flood with our own eyes to believe it happened.

According to creationists, we do need to see it with our own eyes. Creationists believe that unless we actually witness an event ourselves, we are perfectly free to believe anything that we want.

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We have plenty of historical and geological evidence.

According to creationists, interpretations of evidence depend on assumptions based on one's worldview, and so one can assume whatever one wants in order to get the interpretation that one desires.


I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders
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Message 141 of 372 (418484)
08-28-2007 12:22 PM
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08-28-2007 10:42 AM


Re: 'Out of Bedrock' theory
Since the whole goal of evolutionists is to deny God....

I'm interested in finding out why you think you know what motivates evolutionists, but it's off-topic here. If you would like to explain why you think you know why evolutionists think the way that they do, you can start a new thread; if you don't want to do that, I started a thread to get people to explain why they think they know how atheists think; it's been dead for a while (and was never really on-topic when it was active), so maybe the moderators will allow this discussion there.


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Message 144 of 372 (418496)
08-28-2007 1:43 PM
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08-28-2007 1:39 PM


Re: 'Out of Bedrock' theory
In fact, some scientists have tried to explain that by saying there was a giant tsunami that once covered the whole earth. Other scientists claim it's snow melt from a huge ice age.

None of this is true. You see, this is your problem: you are being told stuff that isn't true, and you believe it.


I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders
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Message 149 of 372 (418536)
08-28-2007 8:53 PM
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08-28-2007 8:41 PM


I have a question for you (off-topic)
This is interesting.

Refpunk at EvC Forum:

Yet I wonder why there ar exactly ZERO accounts of ancient peoples describing their ancestors being cavemen. Why do you think that is?

And

Carico at Theology Web:

There are accounts of over 200 cultures of a global flood where one family survived. But there are exactly zero accounts by ancient peoples of their ancestors being apemen. So why do you think that is?

Are you Carico at TWeb? I'm asking because there is some speculation there that Carico is kendemeyer, and if you are kendemeyer then why have you now registering under third or fourth name here?

If not, never mind.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Misspelled name. All three times.


I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders
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Message 155 of 372 (418551)
08-28-2007 10:49 PM
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08-28-2007 10:47 PM


Re: 'Out of Bedrock' theory
Hard to say. He isn't even sure what he's talking about.


I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders
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Message 168 of 372 (418685)
08-29-2007 8:32 PM
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08-29-2007 7:16 PM


*sniff sniff* -- ew!
So that's another example of scientists not thinking things through well enough because of their eagerness to deny the bible.

I smell a troll. Does anyone else smell it?


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Message 214 of 372 (421640)
09-13-2007 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by bdfoster
09-13-2007 1:22 PM


Re: Where the water came from and went.
Heh. Very similar to their about-face in regards "micro"evolution. At first opposed to the theory of evolution in its entirety, they realized that they couldn't really dispute the evidence for speciation -- and then suddenly they realized that if they embraced it, then they could take care of the dilemma of cramming all those species into that big boat. Namely, Noah actually only took about two dozen pairs of animals, one for each of the phyla, which then hypermicroevolved into all the species we see.


I could tell you what I've read about evolution, the big-bang, super-universes, quantum foam, and all that stuff. Eventually you'd ask a question I can't answer, then I'd have to go look it up. Even If I had the time for that shit, in the end you'd ask a question science hasn't answered yet. So let's save time and skip ahead to "I don't know." -- jhuger
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