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Vacate Member (Idle past 4601 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Refpunk writes: Sorry, but it can't be erosion because the sedimentary layers are IN THE MIDDLE of the rock layers. If erosion did not cause the sedimentary layers you speak of, then what did? Weathering and erosion are the two 'causes' for sedimentary rock. Even the flood model suggests that erosion is the cause for the sedimentary layers. Now that you have brought up the existance of sediment layers within other rock layers perhaps you could explain how this fits with the global flood model.
If it was erosion then the top parts of the rock layers would have eroded away. And they have, hence the layers of sediments! You appear to be thinking of geology in a limited timescale. Remember that the model of onetime events is your model and not scientists.
So that's another example of scientists not thinking things through well enough because of their eagerness to deny the bible. Are you sure you have thought this through before you became so eager to deny geology?
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Refpunk writes: Sorry, but it can't be erosion because the sedimentary layers are IN THE MIDDLE of the rock layers. You've misunderstood the explanation, but let me start by clarifying that the sedimentary layers *are* the rock layers. For example, look at this photograph of the sedimentary layers of the grand canyon:
Each of the horizontal layers are sedimentary layers, and they are rock. Sediments once deposited can become deeply buried, and the resulting great pressure and accompanying heat turn them into rock. The material that forms the sedimentary layers comes from erosion of areas at higher elevations. The eroded material is carried to lower elevations by wind and by streams and rivers. In general, upland regions are areas of net erosion, while low lying areas as well as seas and lakes and so forth are areas of net deposition of the sediments eroded from upland areas. And that's why no scientists believe that a worldwide tsunami or a giant ice melt could be responsible for the world's sedimentary layers. Such singular events could not explain the many, many different sedimentary layers, each reflecting a different environment as well as different flora and fauna, and also dating progressively younger radiometrically the higher the layer in the geologic column. --Percy
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
So that's another example of scientists not thinking things through well enough because of their eagerness to deny the bible. I smell a troll. Does anyone else smell it? I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2477 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Refpunk writes: Sorry, but it can't be erosion because the sedimentary layers are IN THE MIDDLE of the rock layers. If it was erosion then the top parts of the rock layers would have eroded away. So that's another example of scientists not thinking things through well enough because of their eagerness to deny the bible. Refpunk, I think you should have a look at this thread, on which two geologists are going through the basics of their subject. http://EvC Forum: Geology- working up from basic principles. -->EvC Forum: Geology- working up from basic principles. I say this because it's all very well disagreeing with something, but you obviously need to know and understand what it is that you're disagreeing with in the first place, before arguing against it. Don't you agree? It would be no good me arguing against Biblical creation if I'd never read the account in the Bible, and had no idea what the claims of young earth creationists were, would it?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 837 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Chiroptera writes: I smell a troll. Does anyone else smell it? I think rigor mortis set in several weeks ago, and the stench has been quite overwhelming ever since. The statement "There were no Neanderthals" was the clincher. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
oh yeah. I started to respond a while back but I felt like I was defending a spherical earth to a flat earther. I suspect Refpunk is a troll because I refuse to believe that anyone is that .... oh .... um .... well I don't want to violate the forum rules.
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Refpunk Member (Idle past 6053 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Sorry, but ALL SEDIMENT COMES FROM WATER BECAUSE the definition of sediment is: "matter that settles to the bottom of liquid". And the only way sediment could have gotten into the MIDDLE of rock layers is if the rock was once covered in water. So you're incorrect.
Edited by Refpunk, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the Great Wetting that Never Happened.
Would you be interested in walking through some real life examples and explaining how the "Flood model" might explain them? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4601 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
the definition of sediment is: "matter that settles to the bottom of liquid" True enough for the basic definition of sediment, but not for the definition of sedimentary layers. As you can see on wikipedia weathering does also contribute to 'sedimentary' rock. Just look at the weathering effects you see from sand eroding desert rock. This is besides the point however.
And the only way sediment could have gotten into the MIDDLE of rock layers is if the rock was once covered in water. I would ask you to propose some method that would deposit sediments from any source underneath an existing rock layer. We are obviously not talking about sediments collecting in a cave somewhere. This is global, so tell me how sediments collected globally under existing rock.
So you're incorrect. Thats been know to happen, so show me how. Don't forget your original claim that erosion did not cause the sediments to be deposited underneath the rocks. An explanation on how you see a flood first creating all the sediments and then depositing them underneath rock layers would be helpfull in correcting my misunderstandings. Edited by Vacate, : spelling
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
...the definition of sediment is: "matter that settles to the bottom of liquid". Let's see you document that definition. How about a link and quote from an on-line dictionary? If you substituted "fluid" for "liquid" you'd be pretty much right. Fluids include such things as liquids AND gases. See also: Sediment - Wikipedia There, they also sort of include glacial ice as being a "fluid". While that may be stretching things a bit, Glacial ice does essentially behave as a very viscus fluid. Moose
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
quote: Since you went thru all the trouble of looking up the definition of sediment why didn't you read whole thing - wind, water or ice. And just what the heck is the "Middle of rock layers". Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3598 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
jar: Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the Great Wetting that Never Happened. Would you be interested in walking through some real life examples and explaining how the "Flood model" might explain them? YECs seem to think every rock on earth is either mudstone or pillow lava. Archer All species are transitional.
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Refpunk Member (Idle past 6053 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
"The Oxford American Dictionary and Thesaurus" is where I found the definition of sediment. So now you'll have to try to deiscredit that dictionary as well as the historical accounts of the hundreds of ancient cultures of a global flood all for the made-up stories of today's scientists. So it appears that atheists are in the habit of denying and making up their own history rather than confirming it in order to deny God. But since the truth never contradicts itself, then atheists paint themselves into a corner, as usual.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So it appears that atheists are in the habit of denying and making up their own history rather than confirming it in order to deny God. But since the truth never contradicts itself, then atheists paint themselves into a corner, as usual. The first time you made such an assertion it was assumed that you were simply ignorant of the fact that Christians know there was never a Flood and that the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of the life we see. The second time you made a similar false assertion it was just assumed you are a slow learner. But now you bring it up yet again. The fact that there was never a Flood has nothing to do with denying God or Christianity. If you honestly think there was a Flood, I have offered to walk through what is seen and let you show how some Flood model can explain it. The conventional model does just that, it explains what is seen. If you expect anyone to see the Flood model as anything other than a joke, it will be necessary for the Flood model to explain what exists as well or better than the Conventional model. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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