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Author Topic:   The Big Bang, Abiogenesis, and Evolution
Buckets
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Message 1 of 300 (419095)
08-31-2007 9:01 PM


Hello, I am a new member to the forums. I had recently discussed with a high school Creationist friend of mine, and he brought up abiogenesis. I've read articles about amino acids being formed in a controlled environment, and certain "proto-alive" organisms that have manifested, and this conjures a few questions.
Is abiogenesis always in direct relation with the Big Bang theory, where the Big Bang lays it out, and abiogenesis works from there? (or can abiogenesis it be attributed to theistic evolution, or deism?) In addition, how exactly does a single celled organism develop from nothing? I don't understand how, even if supplied with a life-sustaining environment, life can come to be.
Also, if one supports an atheistic view of evolution (Primordial soup, single-celled organisms, slight successive variation, without a God, etc etc), is it given that they also support the Big Bang?
One more. I'm trying to give a thorough look at both sides of the evolution-creation controversy (I am a pending agnostic), and I've read a lot about the slow degradation of the Big Bang theory. For example, Big bang - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science and Open Letter on Cosmology, as well as the creationist references given in the CreationWiki article. Because most everyone on this site surpasses me in the knowledge of evolution/creation, I'd like some opinions on the contemporary validity of the Big bang theory.
Thanks.
Edited by Buckets, : I left stuff out.

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Buckets
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Message 44 of 300 (420437)
09-07-2007 8:24 PM


I think I must have worded my words in a misleading way. I know that these theories have almost nothing to do with eachother, and what I meant to ask was (for the first question about Big Bang/abiogenesis): If the Big Bang occurred, then how did life occur after it? Abiogenesis? Penspermia? What theories propose a non-religious view to the origin of life after the Big Bang (that are scientifically sound)?
For the 2nd question, if someone doesnt believe in God, then isn't it NECESSARY for one to support the Big Bang theory? Or are there other theories?
Lastly, is the Big Bang still valid?

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Buckets
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Message 47 of 300 (420587)
09-08-2007 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Percy
09-08-2007 3:29 AM


Firstly, I don't debate using "If you don't believe in God, you must believe in the Big Bang". I'm simply asking questions. I'd rather people answer questions than poke fun.
Simply, if the Big Bang occurred, through what processes did life develop? (I'm not just implying abiogenesis)
Again, how does an atheist explain the origin of the universe?
My last question was answered. Hopefully I've posed my questions as objectively as possible so as not to fluster Percy any more than I have.

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Buckets
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Message 58 of 300 (421054)
09-10-2007 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Chiroptera
09-09-2007 4:43 PM


That is exactly what I was trying to say. "What is the purely naturalistic explanation for the origin of life?".
Obviously, God and the Big Bang have something to do with life (depending on your opinion), but I wouldn't want to incite any more "That's like saying the cop eats a donut, after he eats a hamburger!!!".

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