Converting raw energy into biological energy

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” A metabolism that extracts raw materials from the environment as food and then changes it into energy."

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What connection is there between your quote and your question?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I did. I still have no idea what you are asking or what the relationship is between your quoted section and your question.AbE: Found the link I wanted.The instance you and Crashfrog are discussion is one that is fairly far along the line. There are also living things that use other sources of energy, things like the radiation from residual uranium in rock.In this article they discuss bacteria that use radiation from decaying uranium to convert water into usable energy and that have been living below ground, away from the sun for several million years.Edited by jar, : add link

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'm sorry but what does that have to do with the topic?In case you missed it, the topic of this thread is "Converting raw energy into biological energy" and has NOTHING to do with creating bacteria.Do you have anything related to the topic to contribute?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I did read the OP. I even quoted your direction: which was related to:

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” A metabolism that extracts raw materials from the environment as food and then changes it into energy."

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I pointed out that your question was unrelated to the bulleted information and irrelevant to the topic of the thread.I also provided a link to an example of bacteria that break down water using the radiation of decaying uranium and that live miles below the ground and have been isolated from the sun for millions of years.The issue of creating life is totally irrelevant and unimportant to the topic in this thread.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

If anyone ever presents any evidence of design that stands up to examination, then it will be considered.Why not also consider magic and fairy dust?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

But you have been given links to at least one example of a creature that directly converts water to usable energy from just the natural decay of uranium in rocks.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Looking at the chemical makeup of ATP, AMP and ADP I don't see anything particularly exotic or surprising. None of them are particularly complex molecules, and the conversions back and forth between the various molecules is pretty straightforward.If we look back at hyperthermophiles like Archea we even find that they use sulphur instead of oxygen as the electron acceptor during respiration and so would have thrived in earlier oxygen deprived, sulphur rich environments.The important point though is that in all cases what is seen is simply chemical reactions.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So far all you have done is offer incredulity.Do you have any problem when hydrogen and oxygen combine to form water?Or hydrocarbons?Or any other inorganic molecules?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

is not just the fact that he has nothing but incredulity, but that the more we learn the less unique things like DNA appear. The recent discovery of inorganic molecules that evolve, reproduce, split into duplicate mirrored images, recombine to form new components and do so in the vast areas of space, show that not only is a mechanism similar to DNA possible, but it is also possible to occur naturally and even be based on cycles other than carbon. It even forms the same helical structures that we see in DNA. Science Daily Article on inorganic dust with lifelike properties.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The relevance is that wholly natural processes can create complex molecules; molecules that combine, divide, reproduce, evolve; simple chemistry and physics. Organic is not even necessary.Organic is just a label of convenience, denoting carbon based chemical reactions we classify as live. However, the more we learn the less the distinction between living and non-living forms appears.In addition, plasma states happen to be pretty common. One example is lightning. Others are produced during meteor or comet strikes, also fairly common particularly during the early period of Earth's existence.

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The Burning Bush is of course irrelevant and unimportant, just another nonsense attempt to bring in more of your preachifying.The point is you have been shown examples of converting raw energy into biological energy, that complex molecules can form naturally, that there are examples of naturally occurring inorganic molecules that combine, split, recombine, evolve, form new combinations, form helixes similar to DNA.So far all you have presented is your personal incredulity.So other than your incredulity, what is the issue?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'm sorry Rob but that is simply false. You have been provided with links and even claim to have read them. Folk can read through the thread and find the links themselves. So once again, other than your personal incredulity, what is the issue?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Of course, in addition to being totally off topic and irrelevant, chirality is also not much of an issue. We had a thread not all that long ago discussing it and many of the routes through which it could develop.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Except there is evidence, abundant evidence of the "theorized evolutionary processes" and so far absolutely NO evidence of the common creator.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It would have to be a code that could not be explained by any natural process. Even then, it would only be accepted as possibly sent by intelligence.If any natural method of creating the code can be demonstrated, then it must be listed as probably NOT from an intelligence.

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