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dwise1
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Message 6 of 50 (420136)
09-06-2007 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ihategod
09-05-2007 4:37 PM


Largely moving to here my post from where this topic was raised.
Do you believe that evidence of rapid depositation invalidates modern geology? Could you please explain why you would believe that? I believe that this will require you to define precisely which meaning of "uniformitarian" it is that you keep denying. Typical creationist misrepresentation is to have it mean that geologists believe that strata are laid down gradually at a constant uniform rate (I read a article by Steve Austin, then using his pseudonym of "Stuart Nevins" [double-check the spelling], making that exact claim, this while he was a graduate student in geology at a real university), whereas what it does mean in modern geology and science is that the physical laws and processes that exist and operate today also existed and operated in the past.
We see both gradual sedimentation and rapid depositation operating in the present and we know what evidence to look for to determine whether an ancient deposit was laid down gradually or rapidly. This was covered (and ignored by Steve Austin) in that article I mentioned: Broadhurst, F. M., 1964, Some aspects of the paleoecology of non-marine fauas and rates of sedimentation in the Lancashire coal measures, American Journal of Science, vol. 262, pp.858-869.
As I said, for the past 20 years I have seen this polystrate fossil claim used repeatedly and yet it has proven to be one of the worst-documented and supported creationist claims. In those 20 years, I've only seen one creationist actually try to support or defend it and that was by citing Steve Austin's quoting of the above-mentioned Broadhurst article, which in fact refuted that creationist's and Austin's claims.
In another more recent case, a local creation-science activist demanded that I explain away polystrate fossils, to which I requested that he provide an example of one, something that he admitted that he could not do: No webpage found at provided URL: http://members.aol.com/billyjack6/morgan/q_polystrate_fossils.html.
So, Vashgun or whatever you're calling yourself now, in addition to explaining what exactly you mean by "uniformitarian" and why exactly you believe that polystrate fossils would present a problem for geology, do please also cite specific polystrate fossils along with their references, including scientific sources that also examine those fossils. That way, we will be able to examine the evidence.
I almost wish that you will present the story of the "polystrate" whale fossil found in Lompoc, Calif. You'll find it mentioned in Ackermann's "It's a Young Earth After All".

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