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ringo
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Message 6 of 307 (421004)
09-10-2007 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
09-10-2007 3:34 PM


Re: I know about Faith
If it hadn't been off-topic, I was going to respond to this myself:
quote:
Then I had an experience like the deepest love and an ocean of peace wash me of my sins. It was beautiful, and my eyes were opened for the first time.
As we grow up, we realize that that "high" is easy enough to come by. There are a thousand things that produce that same "born again" feeling, from watching our children grow to learning something new for ourselves to simple things like a new flavour of ice cream.
The feeling is a chemical reaction in the brain. It's the height of arrogance to pretend that we have feelings or "understanding" that others don't have.
And that feeling is fleeting. In the long term, it's far more satisfying to do something about the ills of the world instead of waiting for some Flying Spook to do it for you.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels
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Message 25 of 307 (421028)
09-10-2007 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
09-10-2007 7:12 PM


Re: Read more carefully Mike
Phat writes:
It is as arrogant for me to say I have the answer as it is for any former believer to say that they have somehow graduated to a new level of awareness.
So you don't believe in graduation? You didn't graduate from printing in block letters to writing in cursive? You didn't graduate from pencil to ink?
Who's arrogant? The child who has mastered printing and thinks he has "the answer"? Or the adult who has mastered both printing and cursive and remembers his early steps?

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Message 101 of 307 (421166)
09-11-2007 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Phat
09-11-2007 10:37 AM


Re: Which is supreme?
Phat writes:
I am skeptical of any human wisdom on the issue. It would have to be an inner unction...an epiphany arising within me.
That seems backwards to me. Isn't it supremely arrogant to trust yourself instead of comparing your "unction" with that of other humans?

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ringo
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Message 105 of 307 (421192)
09-11-2007 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by macaroniandcheese
09-11-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Which is supreme?
brennakimi writes:
there's really no reason to trust anyone else on something without solid, clear evidence more than you trust yourself.
There's the possibility of delusion.
Mass delusions are possible too, but if you expose yourself to a wide range of outside opinions, you're less likely to succumb.

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ringo
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Message 289 of 307 (425379)
10-02-2007 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by CTD
10-01-2007 10:03 PM


CTD writes:
"If you don't repent" is implied to anyone who knows the first thing about the Bible....
The trouble is that a lot of people who preach repentence at others don't know the first thing about the Bible. And a lot of people have stopped at the first thing, too.
Some people stop learning. Some people keep on learning and stop being Christians.
Some keep on learning and keep on being Christians - but they're few and far between.

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ringo
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Message 295 of 307 (425436)
10-02-2007 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by CTD
10-02-2007 5:27 AM


CTD writes:
Yes, as I said the Church has been infiltrated since New Testament times, so there are plenty of phonies around. Look at the epistles and see how many errors had to be corrected in the early churches.
It was the Great Infiltrator himself who wrote most of the epistles, often causing more confusion than he corrected. The people I was speaking of tend to be those who take Paul's words over Jesus'.
But that's another topic.
Satan on the other hand, is behind it. He either tries to convince people the phonies are real....
Jesus said, "By their works ye shall know them." That test isn't so easy to corrupt.
I've wondered on occasion what sort of people he recruits.
He recruits creationists, homophobes, racists... in general, the ignorant, the hateful and the fearful.
I think those most vulnerable to being fooled are the ones who look to another to provide doctrine rather than studying the Bible for themselves.
That's what I said. Those who do study the Bible usually see past the trite over-simplifications of the fundamentalist.

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