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jar
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Message 8 of 58 (420922)
09-10-2007 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Utrimque
09-09-2007 2:33 PM


Theistic Evolution
Your idea is actually pretty common.
In the words of the Clergy Project, a document currently signed and endorsed by almost 11,000 US Christian Clergy:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.
As a Christian though, the problem comes when you say:
Utrimque writes:
Couldn't god use evolution, knowing that humans would be created as a result?
If humans were a goal of the god you describe, the god you describe appears terribly inefficient and inept.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 14 of 58 (421061)
09-10-2007 10:27 PM
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09-10-2007 10:20 PM


Re: The Dreaded Double Post!!!
hint
when you reply there are two buttons. Lower right reply button links to the message you are replying to. Lower left button is a general reply button.

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jar
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Message 37 of 58 (422181)
09-16-2007 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Ihategod
09-16-2007 2:02 AM


Re: SICKO - as you say
Death is a consequence of action not a mechanism to bring forth creatures as you would like to think. Before the original sin, there was no death.
You have presented no evidence for that and from a theological construct, if true, then god is an idiot.
There was no death before sin. The possibility existed but it was not created, rather sin was not an original consequence but more a opposing consciousness.
Again, if that is true then god is an idiot.
Which is a historically accurate work detailing how sin has effected us and how God judges sin. Thanks for bringing that up.
Again, the facts are that the Bible is NOT a very accurate historical document.

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Message 40 of 58 (422353)
09-16-2007 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Ihategod
09-16-2007 9:39 PM


on the origin of death
Based on the tales found in Genesis, God created death at the very beginning, long before Adam or Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The evidence for this is that according to the story, God also created a Tree of Life. If Death did not exist, then creating the Tree of Life was pointless and the actions of an idiot. In addition, if Death did not already exist, God's supposed exhortation that if you eat from the Tree of Knowledge you will surely die was meaningless. Further, if God had not already created Death there would be no need for God to fear that Adam and Eve might eat from the Tree of Life and thus live forever.

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jar
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Message 42 of 58 (422360)
09-16-2007 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Ihategod
09-16-2007 9:57 PM


Re: on the origin of death
Also, the tree of life could have been created after the initial creation.
It is irrelevant when it was created other than the fact that it was created before Adam or Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge. Therefore God had created Death even earlier otherwise as I pointed out in Message 40:
If Death did not exist, then creating the Tree of Life was pointless and the actions of an idiot. In addition, if Death did not already exist, God's supposed exhortation that if you eat from the Tree of Knowledge you will surely die was meaningless. Further, if God had not already created Death there would be no need for God to fear that Adam and Eve might eat from the Tree of Life and thus live forever.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 45 of 58 (422584)
09-17-2007 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Ihategod
09-17-2007 7:55 PM


Re: on the origin of death
I did. I even replied to it. Your Message 41 is not only irrelevant, it is false and I explained exactly why in Message 42 and even earlier in Message 40.

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