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pbee
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Message 31 of 307 (421058)
09-10-2007 10:09 PM
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09-10-2007 3:34 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Is it possible you were barking up the wrong tree?
Many people seem blind to the fact that not all religions stand in favor with God.
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Message 32 of 307 (421063)
09-10-2007 10:31 PM
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09-10-2007 10:09 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Is it possible that YOU'RE barking up the wrong tree?
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Message 33 of 307 (421066)
09-10-2007 10:33 PM
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09-10-2007 7:54 PM


Re: Sorry to break up the nods
none of what you just said is reflected in your first post. just thought you should know.

But it's pretty stupid to try to say who's farther or more mature from that.

especially that part.


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Message 34 of 307 (421067)
09-10-2007 10:33 PM
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09-10-2007 10:09 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Many people seem blind to the fact that not all religions stand in favor with God.

Yeah, I hear He (PBUH) gets pretty irritated with all this talk of Him having a Son.... :rolleyes:

I grew up a Presbyterian missionary/then preacher's kid. My dad should really have been a math or science teacher, I think. He was a very caring person, but not a literalist at all. He preached from Genesis, treating it all as instructive moral lessons, not "facts." I learned all those Bible stories, some as the Sunday School pupil of THE Sam Walton, and pretty much bought into Christianity for a long time. I was pretty inactive for a long time, up into my early thirties, too. I then got very well immersed in the Episcopal church, and really tried hard to believe in all that Nicean Creed and such. In my mid-forties, though, the cognitive dissonance got to me and I gave church up. By fifty I could admit to people I was an atheist.

Now I'm about to get militant about atheism.


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Message 35 of 307 (421068)
09-10-2007 10:35 PM
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09-10-2007 10:09 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Is it possible you were barking up the wrong tree?

I went to Catholic school as a kid. I studied CS Lewis and Josh McDowell. I belonged to a fundamentalist church. I've attended moderate Methodist services. Hell, I've banged on drums and hugged trees.

I've barked up enough trees, I think, that I should have hit the right one, if it was out there. And as it turned out, I did eventually hit the right tree - atheism.


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pbee
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Message 36 of 307 (421070)
09-10-2007 10:38 PM
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09-10-2007 10:33 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Everyone has there story(journey). Fascinating thing about religion,God and people. Is that the entire concept, places people in a state of unrest.

When you say you're about to get militant about atheism, does this imply for or against atheism. I mean, is it even possible to implement unbelief as an active state of anything?


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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 307 (421071)
09-10-2007 10:41 PM
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09-10-2007 10:33 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Now I'm about to get militant about atheism.

Jesus Christ, hit the deck everybody! He's about to write a book!

...what? Isn't that what Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and all the rest did to make people think they're "militant?"


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pbee
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Message 38 of 307 (421073)
09-10-2007 10:48 PM
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09-10-2007 10:35 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not canvassing. However, famed religions and tree hugging don't really fall into the pre-req's mentioned in the scriptures do they?

God, man, faith. The entire system lies on a formula. There are no shortcuts or ways to cheat the system. And religions are no exception to the rule. Though, I'm not knocking atheism, I am a firm supporter of freedom. The onset of those turning away from religious enterprises over the lack thereof remains intriguing.

What fascinates about the whole thing is when people turn *against those who continue to serve God afterwards.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 39 of 307 (421074)
09-10-2007 10:58 PM
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09-10-2007 10:38 PM


Re: I know about Faith
I mean, is it even possible to implement unbelief as an active state of anything?

yes. arach's mom is an evangelical atheist. she actively tries to convert people from theism.


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Chiroptera
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Message 40 of 307 (421075)
09-10-2007 10:58 PM
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09-10-2007 10:09 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Is it possible you were barking up the wrong tree?
Many people seem blind to the fact that not all religions stand in favor with God.

Well, it's not as if God let him know that and tried to lead him to the right tree.

Or do you only get one chance at choosing the right tree, and then he removes your God-sense?


I could tell you what I've read about evolution, the big-bang, super-universes, quantum foam, and all that stuff. Eventually you'd ask a question I can't answer, then I'd have to go look it up. Even If I had the time for that shit, in the end you'd ask a question science hasn't answered yet. So let's save time and skip ahead to "I don't know." -- jhuger
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pbee
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Message 41 of 307 (421076)
09-10-2007 10:58 PM
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09-10-2007 10:58 PM


Re: I know about Faith
That makes me laugh.
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Chiroptera
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Message 42 of 307 (421078)
09-10-2007 11:00 PM
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09-10-2007 10:48 PM


What fascinates about the whole thing is when people turn *against those who continue to serve God afterwards.

Huh? Like who?

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I could tell you what I've read about evolution, the big-bang, super-universes, quantum foam, and all that stuff. Eventually you'd ask a question I can't answer, then I'd have to go look it up. Even If I had the time for that shit, in the end you'd ask a question science hasn't answered yet. So let's save time and skip ahead to "I don't know." -- jhuger
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arachnophilia
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Message 43 of 307 (421079)
09-10-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by pbee
09-10-2007 10:58 PM


Re: I know about Faith
That makes me laugh.

you don't have to live with her. :P

it seems that some people are just inclined to fundamentalist thought patterns. even when you get them away from religion, they approach atheism as a fundamentalist would. no real logic to speak of, and reliance of piss-poor sources. my mom happens to be a fan of julian jaynes' "the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bichameral mind." which is to psychology what "darwin's black box" is to biochemistry.


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pbee
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Message 44 of 307 (421080)
09-10-2007 11:11 PM
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09-10-2007 11:02 PM


Re: I know about Faith
Very interesting

I'm not sure why this takes place, but when you mention it, I began to contemplate the people that I personally know, who are inherently fanatical with things. Just as they exhibit radical characteristics with religion, they will likewise exhibit radical characteristics with other aspect of belief such about science or atheism. It's all very interesting.

I also think they bring down the house so to speak on God and faith, which is to bad really. The world is crashing so very nicely all on it's own, that I really don't see the need for people to take it out on one another.

When I contemplate God, faith and it's implications, it raises a question about active atheism as a whole. Since the knowledge of God is to attain eternal life, what do atheists offer?


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arachnophilia
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Message 45 of 307 (421081)
09-10-2007 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by pbee
09-10-2007 11:11 PM


Re: I know about Faith
ideally? reason and honesty.

but that isn't always the case, as the fanatic bug apparently bites them too. like christian evangelism, the militant-recovering-christian fanatacism seems to stem from a desire to help people, often with a "little brother" twist. they see other people making the same mistakes they did, foolishly believing the same lies, and it makes them ashamed. that kind of attitude often leads to emotionally charged outbursts, and the kind of anger we often associate with the christian fundamentalists around here who simply cannot follow the rules and are quick to ad-hominems.


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