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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Is it possible you were barking up the wrong tree?
Many people seem blind to the fact that not all religions stand in favor with God.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Everyone has there story(journey). Fascinating thing about religion,God and people. Is that the entire concept, places people in a state of unrest.
When you say you're about to get militant about atheism, does this imply for or against atheism. I mean, is it even possible to implement unbelief as an active state of anything?
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not canvassing. However, famed religions and tree hugging don't really fall into the pre-req's mentioned in the scriptures do they?
God, man, faith. The entire system lies on a formula. There are no shortcuts or ways to cheat the system. And religions are no exception to the rule. Though, I'm not knocking atheism, I am a firm supporter of freedom. The onset of those turning away from religious enterprises over the lack thereof remains intriguing. What fascinates about the whole thing is when people turn *against those who continue to serve God afterwards.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
That makes me laugh.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Very interesting
I'm not sure why this takes place, but when you mention it, I began to contemplate the people that I personally know, who are inherently fanatical with things. Just as they exhibit radical characteristics with religion, they will likewise exhibit radical characteristics with other aspect of belief such about science or atheism. It's all very interesting. I also think they bring down the house so to speak on God and faith, which is to bad really. The world is crashing so very nicely all on it's own, that I really don't see the need for people to take it out on one another. When I contemplate God, faith and it's implications, it raises a question about active atheism as a whole. Since the knowledge of God is to attain eternal life, what do atheists offer?
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
I don't think it works that way. From what I can see, God remains in the same place all the time. It is people who are in motion(closing in or away). The scriptures say He wants everyone to stay close to Him, and refers to those falling away as lost sheep.
There are numerous scriptures to support the time and opportunity given to everyone to make up their own minds. The only outstanding aspect of leaving God is for those who turn against God's people. The scriptures really do give instructions on how to find the right path to God. I believe the formula works. It all comes down to whether or not someone is ready or willing to commit to it. As someone mentioned once, "in this day and age, we have a religion for everyone", whether or not it stand in line with God's word, well that's a whole other story.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Truth, is an implicative term. Jesus spoke of truth and when He did, he seemed to exemplify that only God knew it. It makes me wonder though, if humans were ever or will ever be in a position to claim to know the truth about life? I remain weary of anyone who, while being bound by the same knowledge and rules as we are, claims to know the truth about anything. Wouldn't this be a case of the blind leading the blind?
How does one contend with the possibility of eternal life in exchange for nothing? It seems like an odd counter offer isn't it? This is not a criticism of your decision or experiences. I just find that concept of people leaving religions and turning against God and those worshiping Him as a fascinating phenomenon.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Your post grew exponentially since my last reply.
I agree with the fact that religion has really become a pick of the litter type of thing. That is why I personally refer to religions as enterprises. Religions have truly become like a modern business. However, they are not indicative of God and truth. I think you raised some fine points based on your own experiences and observations. While many religions do sell people on the benefits of becoming part of their doctrines, such things do not stand in harmony with the scriptures.
quote:I think the key to success where God and faith are concerned is directly attributed to ones founding reasons for seeking out God to begin with. If it's on a what's in it for me basis, then that person may be doomed for failure to begin with. But I have seen people, start that way and slowly change their attitudes as they moved along. So, who knows!
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Who said anything about everything(laughing). quote:There is no disputing that religions and people lie. But one question remains outstanding, and that is what is truth? Being born, and raised in a hard core scientifically minded family, I have to question peoples perception of truth. Since both sides(or everyone for that matter) speaking on behalf of life and truth seem to claim they "know something". So I wonder, if exposing lies automatically renders truth about life and God?
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:You are way ahead of yourself here. First of all I never said I believed the scriptures. Secondly, you have no idea if the bible was familiar to me or if I liked its message of it is made me comfortable etc etc. You are wrong on all counts by the way. What drove you to assume these things? Was it something you read? Is it because I said something that contradicted your own feelings? So obviously I cannot speak for others, but I think I made a point. Not everyone is drawn to God for the same generic reasons. Edited by pbee, : No reason given.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
I don't mean to nit-pick but aren't those statistics a bit skewed?
Last I aw the stats were presented on a minimum /maximum scale, Atheists / Agnostics numbers ranged from 40 and 80%. I am not knocking your claim, just wanted to clarify whether or not you were aware of this.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Thats an interesting statement. In the past I recall a group conducting blind tests on that very topic. The results were interesting to say the least. Though many people expressed feelings ranging from loss of hope to complete breakdown, there were a notable number of people who chose to remain faithful to God for the only purpose of doing what was right or pleasing Him. I think this aspect of faith was best documented in the account of Job though.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Well this is all true isn't it. But then again, the entire fiasco seems driven by human emotions to begin with. The same emotional outbreaks and claims can be measured in all aspects of life for that matter. This is more of a human problem than a God and faith problem.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Well, I don't know about that. We have ancient written records which claim that God made(created all things), now we have the evidence to evaluate and measure. So it would seem as though the existence of God rests on our own capacity to determine whether the claim is true or not. Santa on the other hand, is a child's fairytale. It has been introduced as such and holds no bearing on the origin of life. Though the focus of your statement was placed on the layer of belief. I am not sure we can deny the implications of the beliefs in question to properly evaluate them. It is also notable that a belief in God spans much further than that of Santa. Though God can be many things to many people, the concept in itself seems to precede the limits of our own minds and understanding. I'm not knocking your take on God and faith, but I think that the consensus that many people throw at the topic is in many cases either convoluted or suffering from improper handling. I agree with the thought that God can only exist where people choose to believe in Him though. Edited by pbee, : typo's
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pbee Member (Idle past 6027 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
That's funny.
Truth of it is, because I think your right. Well we could say that God was never labeled as a physical being. Then again, this does not mean He cannot exist. It simply means that both subjects are not of the same form. I fear we may be deviating off topic here. However, there is always room for a God exists does not exist thread though. If anyone wants to spawn one with a spin, it might end up entertaining who knows.
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