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Message 72 of 307 (421115)
09-11-2007 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Taz
09-11-2007 1:38 AM


Re: I know about Faith
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Ok. Where and when have we determined the existence of god through analysis of physical evidence?
To my knowledge, it remains to be done.
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My point exactly. So far, the only accounts we have of god are from the same people that committed genocidal acts in his name. Why on earth would you be taking their accounts seriously when there are literally thousands and thousands of other accounts around the world throughout the ages, especially when not one of them have been confirmed through any kind of tangible evidence?
That sounds like a good topic. Not trying to lead you into anything here, but it seems like a good basis for a discussion. If you are up to it. Personally, I think the ancient scriptures have enough weight to call for consideration. While many would scoff at this, for the most part they remain unaware of the information(content) that the scriptures contain. Nevertheless, the entire account is not without controversy, as you mentioned. However, is it really controversial or are we looking at the results of misinterpretation an yet more human derivatives? Is it really as religions put it or is it bigger than that? Is it really intangible or is it measurable?
The questions go on and on. However one thing remains outstanding. The answers will not come about by hand waving alone.

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Message 76 of 307 (421119)
09-11-2007 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by crashfrog
09-11-2007 1:34 AM


Re: I know about Faith
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I don't even claim to know for sure, but this I do know: we're talking about two different paths, here. One path is the path of making conclusions from evidence, without bias or prejudice.
The other path is simply choosing what fantasy you like best. Just making things up with your imagination.
Surely only a great fool would think that the second path is the path that leads to truth?
Well I can't argue with that. However, having been raised in a scientifically inclined family, I would like to think that we are not all bound by the same logic where choices are concerned. For example, though you feel the other path is based on fantasy of ones choosing, what does one make of the evidence provided by the scriptures?
This brings me back to my earlier statement, when I said that not all God and faith experiences are created equal. There are those who are not raised in religious families and come to explore the implications of God and faith through means of research and evaluation.
I think that the Truth you mention, is not as simple and obvious as we may feel. I think the foolish behavior is attributed primarily to those who think they know more than others on the matter.
The facts are, that no one holds any authority over the other where truth and origin are concerned. This would imply God and Faith as well. I guess it all comes down to respect and sincerity. However, mankind has been plagued with such issues since the dawn or recorded history. Which raises an even more interesting point. Why is it that humanity as a whole seems driven to share a common belief?
To my knowledge the scriptures contain a host of measurable facts and claims. The biggest being God's claim to Creation. I think, those who overlook these facts are shooting themselves in the foot where truth and sincerity is concerned. I also believe that if someone truly wanted to learn about God(religion aside), that cosmically... provisions has been made to do so.

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Message 102 of 307 (421181)
09-11-2007 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by iceage
09-11-2007 2:38 AM


Re: I know about Faith
Hi thanks for this. I have often contemplated making such a list myself. Your's looks nicely composed. We could add a few more if we delved into the prophesied aspect of things also. However, it seemed very impressive(as you state) just as it is.

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Message 108 of 307 (421217)
09-11-2007 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by mike the wiz
09-11-2007 3:17 PM


If Mikey would of read the bible(properly) he would not of fallen into religions discriminatory mindset. Now, I'm not criticizing Mikey, he may not of been at the top of the pile where reason and independence are concerned, however, we should be able to discern the quality and validity of a doctrine by it's works and behavior towards others in comparison to say, Jesus(for example)
I think Mikey was mislead and should be given the opportunity see things in there proper context.

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pbee
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Message 116 of 307 (421270)
09-11-2007 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Taz
09-11-2007 6:49 PM


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Why waste our time trying to make the "creator" happy when we can just do good for the sake of goodness?
This makes me laugh. I once had cousin was smoked quite a bit of weed and used similar reasoning at times.
Why bother to be kind to others and dismiss the one who created you and all things you enjoy? What kind of person under normal running circumstances would think this way(selfish perhaps)? Though we all know the world is littered with people serving God for all the wrong reasons(what's in it for me style), we also have a great number of people who are simply grateful for all the things that God has provided for them. I mean, thinking about it all, if God is what He claims He is, then He had absolutely no need to create anything or anyone.
There are people who live life and truly enjoy thanking God for it. Just as you convoluted being kind to others and dismissing the source of it all, some people truly feel that kindness should be extended to God as well.

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pbee
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Message 120 of 307 (421282)
09-11-2007 8:44 PM
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09-11-2007 8:14 PM


Well perhaps you should define rational?
Does it make sense to claim kindness to others and neglect the one who made it all happen? I don't know about you but this does not sound like a balanced position on things. If anything, it doesn't seem sound.
ex: I will love my neighbour by being kind and generous to him but as for my parents, I will not extend them any such courtesy. Does this sounds sensible?

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pbee
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Message 136 of 307 (421392)
09-12-2007 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by mike the wiz
09-12-2007 1:10 PM


Re: Irrefutable one goeth
I was under the impression that EVC was a debate forum. Can such controversy come in any other way?
Under the circumstances, a best case scenario would be that your argument stands to reason. Even if that means on a personal level.

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Message 163 of 307 (421513)
09-13-2007 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by arachnophilia
09-12-2007 10:12 PM


Re: I know about Faith
arachnophilia, sorry to interupt your spat, but I wanted to say that I really liked your signature text(looks very nice).
Lately I have been researching God's name and I was wondering if you might know where I could get the Hebrew Tetragrammaton for God's name? In the same style(size) your signature is in.

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