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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
you keep using it wrongly, including describing people from iran and iraq WHERE THER ARE NO WAHHABIS.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Lastly, Al-Qaeda models itself after Wahhabist beliefs, which tends towards extreme interpretations of Islam. Al Qaeda is in Iraq. Many Iranians hold a similar ideology. Therefore, it renders your point moot, as there is nothing wrong with the description in the context I used it in. there are suddenly loads of southern baptists who think the birth control pill is murder, just like catholics. in no way is distinguishing between southen baptists and catholics moot.
since this is now getting off topic
i don't think wahhabis was ever on topic in this thread and you shouldn't have brought it up. but you keep vomiting your lack of knowledge on this subject all over the board and you decided to respond to my castigations here. i would gladly join you in a discussion of wahhabism. in the mean time, you're mistaken, please stop. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given. i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Did I imply otherwise? the sum of your posts on this thread (and throughout the board) express your opinion that anyone with any variety of religious belief or faith is completely delusional or perhaps suffers from some variety of cognitive ddisability. this does not support the idea that they might be genuine and legitimate in their opinions.
If there's no God, then by definition, any experience of God is inauthentic. but you haven't any more proof than they do.
A surgeon who claims to have experienced that the position of the average human spleen is located where it says "lungs" on the anatomy chart is just plain wrong, and it's not wrong for the state medical board to reject his application for licensure because he's intent on denying physical reality. my future father in law's appendix was north of his liver when it was removed in may of his 4th grade year.
Believers are wrong for the same reason that I'm an atheist - there is, in all likelihood, no such things as Gods. in all likelihood is not enough for you to declare them wrong.
Somebody has to be right. i'm not so sure.
He can't not-exist for me and exist for you. no, but a complete lack of evidence doesn't give you absolute license. it may give you the logical upper hand, but that's all. and logic is like pissing in your tea. it's only yours from then on, but it doesn't really get you anywhere.
There's no such things as Gods. what happened to that likelihood qualifier?
I don't think any less of you for believing... I have contempt for religion, but not automatically for its adherents. that claim is not supported by how you respond to believers on this board and specifically in this thread.
Of course, some people can't help but take criticism of their religion personally. but you're not just criticizing the religion. when you say that everyone who is religious is delusional and potentially purposely fooling themselves (which might thus require that they are psycho or sociopathic), you're not criticizing the religion, you're actively attacking ever single person in the world who has some form of religious belief. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given. i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Are you saying that, if I don't know everything, I don't know anything? i said nothing of the sort. i said that a lack of positive evidence prevents a positive conclusion.
It's more than enough certainty to disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster only because spaghetti has a known date of origin in two disparate locations and there is no witness of his noodly greatness otherwise from that period of time.
Why aren't you sure? existence is defined by perception. an entire population of blind creatures has no reason to believe in light or color. to them, they have every reason to believe that light and color are delusions. and i have little to no reason to believe that anything actually exists. my perceptions aren't very convincing.
It's hilariously wrong for you and others to say that I have "respect for nobody" i didn't say that. i said that you have claimed in this thread that faith and belief are delusions and those who hold them are delusional. that's a serious accusation and a personal attack, not a criticism of a religion.
It's just easier to think of Crash as the asshole who never has anything good to say about anybody, because it makes it easier to ignore what I'm saying. i never said that. you're difficult and frustrating, but an asshole? no more than anyone else here. except omni. he's amazing <3
you're the second person to act like I'm some kind of hateful imp i've tried very hard to avoid those particular sentiments in my posts and instead discuss that the way that you describe people should be amended.
It's just an intellectual cruch the two of you use, and you should get over it. i guess at least i'm consistent in my use of crutches. i should break my legs and get a trifecta! i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
It only prevents an absolute conclusion, which I'm hardly asserting. There's no such things as Gods. that sure sounds like an absolute conclusion.
Nonsense. If the color-blind wanted to honestly test if color-perception was actually possible, they might assemble a series of objects, and then, individually, ask color-sighted persons to identify the color. they've no way to know they aren't making it up.
On the other hand, with 30,000 different sects of Christianity alone, it's abundantly obvious that everybody who claims to "experience God" experiences something completely different. not completely different. also, their moral codes can be explained by their cultural affiliations better than by their religious affiliations.
I've never said the second. ok, perhaps not delusional, but actively deluding themselves, which sounds the same to me.
[qs]Belief in God is a delusion, by definition.[/s] assuming god isn't real, which you haven't proven.
You're the very soul of temperance and patience. i said i was trying to avoid that vibe in this particular exchange.
Is there anybody at all, besides Arach, at this board who you're not dripping with contempt for? i'm not dripping with anything. in certain occasions, i get very irritated at specific individuals, much like you. and, i refuse to be squishy and nice to people who are assholes. but aside from those particular exchanges in question, i've no concern for any of it.
You'd never know it from your posts. i happen to be a very disaffected and detached person, especially on the internet. what i am is blunt. what you see is grating and anti-social. i'm not scowling, i'm just not smiling. deal with it. and i suppose this means this conversation is now over because of course we're no longer discussing your christian experience, but rather my personal "flaws". isn't that convenient. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given. i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
only because you claim that the people who condemn you are atheists and evolutionists.
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