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pbee Member (Idle past 6055 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
God made a claim. He created all things, therefore all things are accounted for. This is the evidence, now it's up to us to disprove it.
Edited by pbee, : typo
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3484 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
But you failed to provide where God made his claim. All we have is you saying that God made a claim.
Show where God made his claim.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6055 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
So is this your way of saying we can never prove whether or not God created the heavens and the earth?
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3484 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
In Message 180, sidelined stated:
The only "proof" for God's non existence is tentative and dependent upon the submission of a proof for God's existence. God does not exist until there is proof he does. In response you stated:
God made a claim. He created all things, therefore all things are accounted for. This is the evidence, now it's up to us to disprove it. quote:No this is my way of saying provide support that there is a claim. When and where did God make the claim? Where are the specifics of the claim listed?
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pbee Member (Idle past 6055 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Alright lets play your game.
Word of mouth. He claimed He made it and then told people how it was done. So are you ready to call Him a liar or look for more excuses to circumvent the obvious.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
pd writes: No this is my way of saying provide support that there is a claim. Here it is.
Only the ocean existed at first. Then Ra (the sun) came out of an egg that appeared on the surface of the water. Ra brought forth four children, the gods Shu and Geb and the goddesses Tefnut and Nut. Shu and Tefnut became the atmosphere. They stood on Geb, who became the earth, and raised up Nut, who became the sky. Ra ruled over all. Geb and Nut later had two sons, Set and Osiris, and two daughters, Isis and Nephthys. Osiris succeeded Ra as king of the earth, helped by Isis, his sister-wife. Set, however, hated his brother and killed him. Isis then embalmed her husband's body with the help of the god Anubis, who thus became the god of embalming. The powerful charms of Isis resurrected Osiris, who became king of the netherworld, the land of the dead. Horus, who was the son of Osiris and Isis, later defeated Set in a great battle and became king of the earth.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
pbee writes: God made a claim. He created all things, therefore all things are accounted for. This is the evidence, now it's up to us to disprove it. God has made no such claim. Your error is in your unstated premise.... Genesis is God. There is nothing in Genesis that indicates it is divine and lots of evidence that tells us it is the work of men's minds including the fact that pieces are borrowed and is typical for the era and place. The Acoma Indians also have a creation myth that Tsichtinako a great spirit created all things. In this myth all things are accounted for. This is evidence, now it's up to you to disprove. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3484 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
pbee,
This isn't a game or a chat line. This is a debate board. You made a vague claim with no support. I simply asked for support that the claim was made. Word of mouth isn't tangible evidence. You provided nothing to evaluate. Unless you plan on actually substantiating your statement, please don't respond to this post. The owner frowns upon posts that don't further the discussion and without substance there's nothing for me to address.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6055 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Enough evading and babbling already, what about the evidence? Is anyone ever going to step up and acknowledge it, or are we going to continue finding ways to dance around it? The truth is quite obvious.... You have nothing! it's a bluff. People will talk out of their asses as though they possess some wild card or truth all the while, they have nothing. I brought you plenty to substantiate, look around you. I brought you evidence and you elude it with threats. Not impressive at all, what would really be impressive, is if someone actually addressed the obvious instead of finding ways to avoid it. The original poster asked to evaluate each piece of evidence and determine if the evidence is any good or not. We have evidence that God's claim is real(Existence). He created the heavens and the earth. It has been written and carried out from generation to generation for as long as we can calculate. It is all around us and even within us. So I ask quite simply, can anyone actually contradict this claim? Is anyone actually willing to evaluate the evidence that we do indeed exists and our origin remains a mystery? It's not so complicated is it?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We have evidence that God's claim is real(Existence). He created the heavens and the earth. It has been written and carried out from generation to generation for as long as we can calculate. It is all around us and even within us. Ra? Nu? Marduk" Ymir? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6055 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Does it matter?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Does it matter? Certainly. Different claims are made by different Gods. For example Ymir just worked with existing materials. Ymir makes no claim of creating what came before. Ra and Nu make conflicting claims. You still have not shown where the supposed claim you are talking about exists, so there is no way to examine your claim. Until we have some clue what the hell the claim you are asserting is we cannot test or evaluate it. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
pbee
God made a claim. He created all things, therefore all things are accounted for. This is the evidence, now it's up to us to disprove it. Hardly. At best you have people making the claim that God created things. God is tellingly silent on the matter though.
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pbee Member (Idle past 6055 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Well lets put things into perspective. I never claimed to create the heavens and the earth. Although, I did observe and scrutinize the recorded information.
Based on scriptural evidence, I have concluded that the claim from the ancient Greek scriptures prove to be a a viable source of information on our origin and purpose. My angle is not whether it is true or false, but that it actually provides us with tangible evidence(existence). Which is actually something we can work with in opposition to the concept that we have nothing. As for other claims, I'm not discounting them. I suppose the appropriate thing to do would be to classify the information and evaluate it accordingly.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
pbee writes: Based on scriptural evidence, I have concluded that the claim from the ancient Greek scriptures prove to be a a viable source of information on our origin and purpose. So you are talking about Nix, the blackbird?
In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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