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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Why not! is that the extent of the creation account based on this entity?
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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Thats true.
However, are we going to discount that they are claiming it was God the entity who inspired them to write the information? and what of the oldest information? It was said that it was God himself who authored it while humans penned it. Don't you think this is worth investigating? Of course we could treat the information and classify it in whatever way suits us. However, this is not evaluating the information is it? If the data was absolutely incredulous, then we would have little trouble treating it as such.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not at all.
Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son. And there is lots more. So is that the claim you are supporting, a Blackbird laying an egg and all? AbE: Of course the Greek Scripture, like the Hebrew Scripture also includes mutually exclusive versions of Creation, if one is true the other must be false, just as in Hebrew and Christian Scripture. Here is yet another version from Greek Scripture.
In the beginning, Chaos, an amorphous, gaping void encompassing the entire universe, and surrounded by an unending stream of water ruled by the god Oceanus, was the domain of a goddess named Eurynome, which means "far-ruling" or "wide-wandering". and yet another
In the begining there was only chaos. Then out of the void appeared Erebus, the unknowable place where death dwells, and Night. All else was empty, silent, endless, darkness. Then somehow Love was born bringing a start of order. From Love came Light and Day. Once there was Light and Day, Gaea, the earth appeared. Edited by jar, : add more Greek Scripture. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
No, I am presenting the claim that a single God(entity) above all things created the heavens and the earth(all things). As it was written in the Greek scriptures. Originating from the ancient Hebrew Scriptures, the God(entity) calling himself YHWH who claimed supremacy over all things.
The claim addresses where we came from, why we exist and how all things were created. It also provides us with information which covers where we are going and why things are the way they are. It also provided us with a host of verifiable accounts and facts to help establish its credibility. Thats the one I am talking about. Though I must admit, Nix looks interesting also. Edited by pbee, : No reason given.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
pbee
However, are we going to discount that they are claiming it was God the entity who inspired them to write the information? I do not see how we can avoid it. Evidence requires a means of verification and the simple matter is that the likelihood is greater for the claims for Gods to be the result of human agendas and biases than it is for the likelihood of the existence of an entity that defies observation and whos' attributes tend to be made up with the specific properties of being incapable of verification.
It was said that it was God himself who authored it while humans penned it. Don't you think this is worth investigating? That is specifically the problem. Who said it was God? Why should we go by their claim without evidence? This is the difficulty , my friend, for all claims that are ever made.It is not worth investigating unless we can present a sufficiently compelling case for doing so. To say that the world is evidence enough is insufficient without,at least, showing how this cannot be otherwise. As I said earlier I cannot offer evidence for non-existence since that is contrary to the property of non-existence. Therefore the default remains that there is no God until we can provide evidence for a God It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
Charles Darwin
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, I am presenting the claim that a single God(entity) above all things created the heavens and the earth(all things). As it was written in the Greek scriptures, originating from the ancient Hebrew Scriptures. The God(entity) calling himself YHWH who claimed supremacy over all things. Huh? LOL So Greek Scripture evolved from Hebrew Scripture? And your support for that assertion is? And what about all the material that preceded the Hebrew Scripture? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:While I cannot say I know the man. The claim seems validated by content. While I do understand your argument, the evidence or... resulting evidence draws attention to the initial claim. I wouldn't say it's a no brainer if we have alternatives. But the mystery surrounding our origin is very real. This alone should be enough to prompt attention towards the matter. The fact that we don't have the means to measure the claimant does not negate the outstanding issue that stares us straight in the face.
quote:Well this is a case by case basis isn't it? I think some people are perfectly content walking around without a clue where they came from and why they are here. While others... won't have a word of it. I think the claim has provided us with enough information to consider its validity. While other similar claims may offer similar information, we have yet to conclude that they address all the issues and questions we face as a nation. Tossing out possibilities only to end up back at zero does not constitute as looking. That's cherry picking. Edited by pbee, : typo
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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:I meant the entity(YHWH) first originated from the ancient Hebrew scriptures. The first books of the Bible were written mainly in Hebrew and Aramaic. The last books were written in Greek. These two sections of the Bible are referred to as the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. Based on the ancient scriptures, the original language may of been a dialect similar to ancient Hebrew. Though we cannot substantiate this claim.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I meant the entity(YHWH) first originated from the ancient Hebrew scriptures. But you have not entered any evidence that such an entity exists. Nor have you entered any evidence that those Creation myths should be given any more weight than any other Creation Myths. In addition, you have shown no reason to accept those myths over other earlier myths. Finally you have shown no reason the those Hebrew books written in Greek should be considered Greek Scripture instead of the actual Greek Scripture as posted taking preference. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:The entity claims that His works are proof of His existence. We could spend more time circling the evidence of the claim or we could scrutinize it? As I said earlier, all claims should be viable for scrutiny, likewise this one is too. Anything less is nothing more than avoidance.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
pbee
The entity claims that His works are proof of His existence. Where did the entity make the claim as opposed to a human making the claim?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3312 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
pbee writes:
By the same token, I can claim that what you see around you is proof that I am omnipotent. The entity claims that His works are proof of His existence. This is essentially what the bible claims. It is claiming credits for things that are up for anyone to grab.
As I said earlier, all claims should be viable for scrutiny, likewise this one is too.
Then shouldn't you expand a little more on this side rather than continue to make incredible claims? Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Where as in physical location, medium or otherwise?
We do not have information stating all of the locations of the events in question. The medium was scribed(recorded) on various materials, stone, clay, parchment etc as divine records. The entity claimed to of transposed His message through his human hosts by various methods, spiritual influence, direct and indirect communication. Though we have numerous accounts to consider the earliest book of Genesis provides us with simplicity and satisfaction. The opening sentence identifies God as a Creator and his creation of the heavens and the earth. In majestic, well chosen words, the first chapters deal with a general account of the creative work relative to the earth in time periods. Having made man in His own image, God announces his purpose for His human creations on earth, to fill it and master it. It also covers God's purpose. Within its scope by describing the beginning and end of righteousness, the development and disastrous treatment of the first world of ungodly people, and the rise of the present evil world. Outstandingly, it sets the theme for an entire collection of books(the Bible), namely, to vindicate God's name through the Kingdom ruled by a promised seed. It explains why man dies and offers records of God’s dealings with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the hope of life in the new world under the Kingdom of the Seed. It proves to be beneficial in pointing out the proper objective for all mankind to be integrity keepers and sanctifier's of God's name. Edited by pbee, : typo
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pbee Member (Idle past 6049 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
You are absolutely right. Now all you have to do is outclass the other claim by proving you hold authority on matters. That shouldn't be hard to do after all. And I for one, give you the benefit of the doubt.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5936 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
pbee writes: The entity claims that His works are proof of His existence. We could spend more time circling the evidence of the claim or we could scrutinize it? As I said earlier, all claims should be viable for scrutiny, likewise this one is too. Anything less is nothing more than avoidance. Most Gods envisioned by men claim the world as their handiwork. It is a common trait of humans to create Gods to help explain all that they cannot otherwise explain. It is inevitable, as soon as human culture reaches a certain point of development they create Gods. Those that develop into civilizations with writing perpetuate and refine their image of God, but in the end they are products of man's imagination. Again there is nothing in the Bible that indicates it is of a divine origin! There is no foreknowledge or depth of understanding of physical reality, no consistent philosophy or theology (major theological concepts like heaven, hell, salvation, Satan evolve though out), no consistent ethical framework, etc. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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