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halcyonwaters
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Message 1 of 10 (15704)
08-19-2002 5:07 PM


One of my favorite parts of the AiG website is negative feedback. There is none this week because of failing to comply with feedback rules. Less than half the time, there is intelligent negative feedback. A lot of good questions are asked here, so maybe some of you guys would like to negatively write to them?

I already wrote asking what is up with Humphreys graph that shows magnetic field intensity/reversals on why it looks so different from the graph he referenced. I don't think he would be deliberately dishonest, but if he is, I hope creationist organizations come down on him.

I have faith in the guy, but... we'll see! Wether or not the above gets in their negative feedback website, I asked for a reply, so I'll be able to post that here.

David


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Joe Meert
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Message 2 of 10 (15706)
08-19-2002 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by halcyonwaters
08-19-2002 5:07 PM


quote:
Originally posted by halcyonwaters:
One of my favorite parts of the AiG website is negative feedback. There is none this week because of failing to comply with feedback rules. Less than half the time, there is intelligent negative feedback. A lot of good questions are asked here, so maybe some of you guys would like to negatively write to them?

I already wrote asking what is up with Humphreys graph that shows magnetic field intensity/reversals on why it looks so different from the graph he referenced. I don't think he would be deliberately dishonest, but if he is, I hope creationist organizations come down on him.

I have faith in the guy, but... we'll see! Wether or not the above gets in their negative feedback website, I asked for a reply, so I'll be able to post that here.

David


They did not post mine. I've submitted several. One had to do with the two-faced approach of creationists (re old earth in public life, young earth in church). I asked about the hypocrisy of people like Woodmorappe (also known as jan Peczkis-evolutionist) and Baumgardner in particular.

Cheers

Joe Meert


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gene90
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Message 3 of 10 (15722)
08-19-2002 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by halcyonwaters
08-19-2002 5:07 PM


Writing "good" negative feedback is tough to do, you have to really watch yourself lest you be an example of the "evil fundamentalist evolutionists". I have never sent negative feedback, I suppose I should get around to it sometime.

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halcyonwaters
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Message 4 of 10 (15764)
08-20-2002 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Joe Meert
08-19-2002 5:11 PM


I found these as responses to your Woodmorappe claims.

http://www.trueorigin.org/9904.asp

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jsolum/yec/archive/meertwoodmorappe.htm

I would really like to see some questions/points of yours on AiG website -- I think you have good ones. If you could be a little more civil, they would probably post yours more (i.e. don't call them two-faced or hypocrits, focus on Science)

Edit Added: http://www.rae.org/nihilism.html
Here is Woodmorappe writing about Jan's classroom exercise.

David

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Brad McFall
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Message 5 of 10 (15864)
08-21-2002 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Joe Meert
08-19-2002 5:11 PM


[QUOTE][B](re old earth in public life, young earth in church).[/QUOTE]

[/B].

On the face of it some one who was not familiar with my church and attended the meetings and had coffe with the same people outside of church could being un-churched come to this observation. When I mention Creationism there is a quick distancing but this goes in my circle for all so-called fundamentalism yet it would on "that" observation still be with in the distinction above but not accurate. So again, this if my guess coming from a non-believer attempting to take in all but the belief (faith) of the believer. I had hard to with faith but I tell you jail changed my tune quick enough. with reagards-- this is NO T occuring for me.


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Switch89
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Message 6 of 10 (421852)
09-14-2007 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Brad McFall
08-21-2002 6:55 PM


I have dealt with AiG on several occasions, and have discovered a lot of dishonesty. For instance, they have an article claiming that a human skeleton was found in Cretaceous rock, but I go to look it up and it turns out that it was an Indian Burial. I've also caught them severly misrepresenting Stephen Jay Gould's theory of Punctuated Equilibrium, with the usual misinterpretation of "few transitional species". I've even made my own blog about it here:
http://aigbusted.blogspot.com

Here is my article on the man in the Cretaceous:
http://aigbusted.blogspot.com/2007/08/well-if-you-dont-know-already-aig-is.html

SJG:
http://aigbusted.blogspot.com/2007/08/hopeful-monsters-stephen-j-gould-and.html

Cheers!


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Message 7 of 10 (421868)
09-14-2007 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Switch89
09-14-2007 8:28 PM


Welcome to the fray Switch89,

AiG are not the only ones: see Message 81. This is an ICR (Institute for Creation Research) article referencing another ICR article and totally misrepresenting what it says.

Then there is Dendrochronology Fact and Creationist Fraud about Don Batten and dendrochronology (not promoted out of proposed new topics). His article is on the "Creation on the Web" (Creation Ministries) site, although it is on others as well.

Enjoy.


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Switch89
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Message 8 of 10 (421891)
09-14-2007 10:33 PM
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09-14-2007 9:12 PM


Thanks RAZD! I'm well aware of sites like ICR, but they're pretty much on their deathbed, so I really don't worry about them. I think AiG is far more dangerous. Of course, I do have an online debate between myself and an ICR representative that I may publish sometime soon, but I'll wait and see if she's going to reply.

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Switch89
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Message 9 of 10 (421893)
09-14-2007 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by RAZD
09-14-2007 9:12 PM


By the Way, would it be OK if I copied your article and posted it in my blog? I will give you credit.

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Message 10 of 10 (421959)
09-15-2007 7:57 AM
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09-14-2007 10:38 PM


The dendrochronology one? No problem. It is also available from

http://razd.evcforum.net/dendrochronology.html

You could also just link to it.

Enjoy.


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