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Author Topic:   The Great Compromise
crashfrog
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Message 6 of 58 (420917)
09-10-2007 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Utrimque
09-09-2007 2:33 PM


The problem with your "compromise" is that there's no such thing as God.

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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 58 (421322)
09-12-2007 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Utrimque
09-11-2007 9:33 PM


I am using this as a point to show that creationism doesn't have to mean that the earth was created in the last 6 thousand years, and it doesn't exclude evolution.
I think you'll find that it does; if only because the only single position all the disparate camps of creationism can agree on is that they, universally, deny the scientific consensus of common descent and evolution via mutation and natural selection.
And personally I don't particularly see why there needs to be any compromise at all. Evolution is largely true; it's the scientific, accurate explanation of the history and diversity of life on Earth. Any competing model derived from religion instead of science is necessarily wrong and inaccurate; I don't see the point of "compromising" between good science and bad religion, between the truth (as we understand it) and delusion.
There's a fringe controversy, of course, here where we're in the middle of it; but creationists have never, ever prevented meaningful biology from being done. Most biologists are only distantly aware that there's any sort of public controversy at all.
Why do we need the compromise? Creationists are wrong and impotent. What's worth compromising with, there?

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crashfrog
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Message 34 of 58 (422146)
09-16-2007 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Ihategod
09-16-2007 2:02 AM


Re: SICKO - as you say
Before the original sin, there was no death.
What, for all of the ten minutes or so between the Creation of Adam and Eve and the Eating of the Fruit?
The Bible doesn't say that there was no such thing as death. Either way, how would anyone have known? I mean, there wasn't enough time for anything at all to have the chance to die before the bit with the apple.

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